Who did the best at the warren interviews (women, prediction, most)

[dixiegirl7]

Originally Posted by Soccersupporter

As a matter of fact read this if you are truly interested. It has been in the courts off and on for some time now. Women can be charged for abuse. They are mostly charged when drugs are involved but I can see one day if women smoke or drink too much and it harms the baby they will/can be charged with child abuse. It is not that unbelievable.

In South Carolina, prosecutors have charged a woman with murdering her fetus, claiming her abuse of cocaine caused a stillbirth. This is the latest in a series of criminal charges again pregnant women for using alcohol or drugs.

Cocaine User Charged With Fetal Murder

If someone murders a pregnant woman, they can be tried for double homicide. If the fetus is not a life, how is that possible?

[TuborgP]

Originally Posted by dixiegirl7

If someone murders a pregnant woman, they can be tried for double homicide. If the fetus is not a life, how is that possible?

Partially true depending on the state and conviction does not always follow.
The attached link may help
Fetal Homicide: A Question of When Do We Become Human
When is a Fetus Considered Living?

Although many states now have fetal homicide laws, there are a wide variety of differences about when a fetus is considered living. In Missouri and 17 other states, the laws recognize a fetus as living at the time of conception.

Pro-abortion groups see the laws as a way to undermine Roe v. Wade, although currently statues to the laws clearly exclude legal abortions.

Anti-abortionists view it as a way to teach the public about the value of a human life

I posted previously that Anti Abortion groups and now we have to assum a McCain administration will try to use the legal possibility of a murder charge in any state as a means of undoing Roe v Wade.

[TuborgP]

Originally Posted by Soccersupporter

As a matter of fact read this if you are truly interested. It has been in the courts off and on for some time now. Women can be charged for abuse. They are mostly charged when drugs are involved but I can see one day if women smoke or drink too much and it harms the baby they will/can be charged with child abuse. It is not that unbelievable.

In South Carolina, prosecutors have charged a woman with murdering her fetus, claiming her abuse of cocaine caused a stillbirth. This is the latest in a series of criminal charges again pregnant women for using alcohol or drugs.

Cocaine User Charged With Fetal Murder

So why did people argue with me when I said in McCain American woman would be prisoned in child care facilities for saying what you did? Obama articulated it very well but not in the Black/White world of thought many have. It was in the area of gray that those of us who are not anti abortion Christians believe.

[Sunshine Chick]

Originally Posted by dixiegirl7

If someone murders a pregnant woman, they can be tried for double homicide. If the fetus is not a life, how is that possible?

A fetus is a living thing and if someone kills the mother and the baby it should be a federal law and not left up to some state judge to make a stupid decision.

[walidm]

Originally Posted by Sunshine Chick

A fetus is a living thing and if someone kills the mother and the baby it should be a federal law and not left up to some state judge to make a stupid decision.

So you're an advocate for Bigger Government?

[scarlet52698]

In South Carolina, prosecutors have charged a woman with murdering her fetus, claiming her abuse of cocaine caused a stillbirth. This is the latest in a series of criminal charges again pregnant women for using alcohol or drugs.

In South Carolina they can lock you up until you deliver if they think you are a danger to your child. They test all pregnant women for drug/alcohol abuse and report that to the police.

[j33]

Originally Posted by Sunshine Chick

A fetus is a living thing and if someone kills the mother and the baby it should be a federal law and not left up to some state judge to make a stupid decision.

You do realize that if Roe vs Wade is overturned, that means the issue go back to the state to decide, it does not mean that abortion is going to be outlawed (although I'm sure that some states would outlaw it).

[HouseFullaBoys]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunshine Chick
A fetus is a living thing and if someone kills the mother and the baby it should be a federal law and not left up to some state judge to make a stupid decision.

Originally Posted by walidm

So you're an advocate for Bigger Government?

I would say she is an advocate for God and helpless unborn children.

[Elmonellie]

Originally Posted by j33

My question to McCain would be, if he is so certain that life begins at conception, then how come he's okay with stem cell research?

I finally watched the debates and I can see why many people thought McCain did better, he did answer the questions with more clarity,and was more personable than Obama was. However, I liked Obama's responses better, even if they weren't as smoothly delivered. But then again, I'm a bit of an egghead who tends not to be very black and white in my approach to life, and I appreciate nuance, so I suppose that should come as no surprise.

I think the stem cell research question is a very fair question to ask McCain.

Of course, the follow up to Obama's stance on late term abortion/born alive then killed "fetus" is fair as well.

Obama IS more nuanced. He comes across as a star professor at an elite university, pontificating about how many liberals ideas can dance on the head of a pin. Probably a "studies" profesor...one of those squishy non-scientific areas. Historically the U.S. does not want a navel gazer as president, but we shall see. It's his game to lose. The "conversation" with Warren was a good first look at Obama, non scripted. It was telling.

[Elmonellie]

Originally Posted by songgirl

On the other hand, there is no way McCain would be allowed to elaborate on his pro life stance. He would never be permitted to use common sense and explain that personal views aside, he recognizes that if Roe vs. Wade were overturned, abortions would not cease. We would go back to the age of back-room botched abortions that would cause the death of many young women. Nor could he propose that in the instance of rape, or severe fetal deformity, abortion should remain an option. Nor could he even advocate the use of birth control and propose ways to make it accessible to everyone to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

The kook evangelical right makes sure that no realism enters into the discussion.

McCain would LOVE to elaborate on his pro life stance. You sure seem to think you know what McCain believes. You are wrong.

I think you are a victim of liberal brain washing.