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here we go again
she has more going for her than Obama
and if you want to place a bet on her beating him at basketball, I will make a wager on that too.
Am I dreaming here or what??
but keep yammering..........
WHOA!! Stop your profiling. Just cause he's black or afro-american or whatever is politically correct these days in the eyes of whoever decided in the last five seconds of what is right doesn't mean he can beat her in basketball. That's f-ing boring sport to watch anyway. Do you think we could stick to the real political game and not make me have to imagine that dried-up little middle aged man in shorts
Tristans'Mom, I was talking about the Kerry/Edwards campaign, and the way I remember it, gay marriage was THE main topic.
Now, I probably shouldn't out myself like this, but, I'm still a registered Dem (eek!). I went to our state fair that year and stopped by the Democratic Party table to peruse the literature and chat for a bit. They had a big chart board up with a magic marker, and they asked passers-by to contribute to the list of what the Dems considered the most important issues. A lot of social issues were listed, including abortion rights and gay marriage. I stood reading through the list several times in disbelief -- NOWHERE did it list terrorism or national security! Simply. Not. On. The. List. I said to the people manning the booth, "This is why you will lose again." They looked at the list a bit confused at first, and then they understood. I said "Don't you realize that many people have fears about terrorism? And you don't even have it listed as ONE of many concerns for you?" One of the women agreed with me, and went over to mark it down on the list.
That's what I remember. There was also a lot of discussion about the Dems' preoccupation with gay marriage and their attempts to downplay terrorism, and accuse the GOP of fearmongering, as if we all couldn't see for ourselves that we were under actual attack. Remember Kerry calling Islamic bombers a "nuisance"? I believe that really hurt him in the election. I also knew a lot of Jewish Democrats who left the party and began voting Republican. They wouldn't have done that (and I wouldn't have either) had the Dem party been more consistently focused on what I consider the important issues.
I try not to be a single issue voter, but when it comes to my life, sometimes I have to be.
(Edited to add that the state I was living in is a blue state and particularly liberal, which may account for my perception that the Dem focus was excessively on gay marriage.)
Hey..
Well.. perhaps it is where you lived that was the reason you felt or were told that those issues were the most important. I just don't remember it that way.. all I really heard about was the war.
I have always been and independent. I did even vote for Bush once (oh god.. how I regret it). But as I grow older have a child and am rasing a family (alot can change in 4 years!) I have really come into my own..
A) I truly believe Iraq was a mistake.. and I feel the Democrats WILL get us out of it. We were lied to by Bush and his cronies and fooled into thinking it was the right thing. This has erroded my faith in our government. Bush was pushing his and his parties own personal agenda
B) While abortion is not something I would choose to do, my spiritual beliefs lead me to the conclusion that I have no right to make that choice for anyone else, nor does the government. That is a personal decision between the soul of the child, it's mother and whatever god that person believes in. Pro Choice is NOT Pro Abortion. The Republicans would like to take that choice away and dictate what a person should or shouldn't do in that regard. Not surprising as Bush has trampled on Civil Rights in the last 8 years.
C) Gay marriage.. also a matter of choice. In a land where there is supposed to be a seperation of church and state the Republicans constantly say that biblical Gay marriage is wrong wrong wrong. Well it may be wrong to religion.. BUT where talking about a legal instituation. If someone wants to be gay and marry someone else who is gay they have that right to do so.. and no one should remove that right to their life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.
D) I'm so tired of Republicans favoring big corporations, particularly oil companies... among others. We are falling behind the rest of the world when it comes to fuel efficient cars etc. Reason, the car companies don't want to make that change because it hurts their bottom line.. well boo hoo.. the big CEO will have to take a 2 million bonus as opposed to a 4 million bonus .. (just throwing numbers and examples out there) Bottom line is our focus needs to be on developing bio fuels. I LOVED Barracks speech about revitalizing the auto industry here in the U.S creating fuel efficient cars and openning up some factories in places like Michigan and creating American Jobs with the creation of more fuel efficient cars. I LOVE the idea of investing more money in clean bio fuels and new energy sources that will be better for the environment and lift our dependence on foreign oil (thereby we wouldn't have to be so involved with the nutbags in the middle east!! constantly.
And.. so that companies can "maximize" their bottom lines..they get tax breaks AND they get to take jobs overseas!! IN the end it is destroying American, killing jobs.. squeezing the middle class... and is just plain wrong. I liked that Obama has a plan to take AWAY tax breaks to companies that ship jobs overseas.. Im tired of calling tech support to get some Indian guy I can't even understand!!! Bring that job back home and keep the salary in the hands of the American's.. and hey.. get this.. the more jobs there are, the more money Americans can make the more they can spend on your products!!
The big oil companies constantly lobby against all of it and buy our politicians so that they can enjoy their big windfall profits.. in the meantime the workign middle class has to figure out how the hell they are going to feed, heat their house etc. Disgusting.. If Exxon is scared of bio fuels and cleaner coal and nuclear power.. because their profits will plunder.. but then a new industry and jobs will arise.. one that will benefit not only the people but the planet..
C) The Republicans want to stick to the old way of doing things.. particularly with health care.. and it doesn't worked.. hasn't worked and is continuing to fail terribly.. They stick to the old way on so many ideas , afraid to let go and be innovative. They seem to have a we can't do attitude whereas the Democrats have a We Can DO attitude.. after all , it was a Democratic president that got the space age going.. and It will be a democratic president that will get the new age started.
Being more solidified in my beliefs and the vision for this country, I just can not see myself voting for a Republican who seems to be the complete opposite...
They tried to throw a little "bone" to us by putting a woman in the VP Seat next to McCain.. but it isn't enough ..
There is much more at stake in this election than what gender is in office.. And that is wether this country moves into the new century with new ideas, a better foreign policy and a stronger economy...
And for those who say it's abuot "wealth redistribution" or socialism.. keep this in mind.. while the rich are getter richer and the middle class is struggling.. your ability to get rich is drying up.. why? because we are the consumers that keep your money flowing.. hoard your money, do all you can to maximize your profits at our expense and watch how your profits dry up as you squeeze us more and more!!
Well.. perhaps it is where you lived that was the reason you felt or were told that those issues were the most important. I just don't remember it that way.. all I really heard about was the war.
I have always been and independent. I did even vote for Bush once (oh god.. how I regret it). But as I grow older have a child and am rasing a family (alot can change in 4 years!) I have really come into my own..
A) I truly believe Iraq was a mistake.. and I feel the Democrats WILL get us out of it. We were lied to by Bush and his cronies and fooled into thinking it was the right thing. This has erroded my faith in our government. Bush was pushing his and his parties own personal agenda
B) While abortion is not something I would choose to do, my spiritual beliefs lead me to the conclusion that I have no right to make that choice for anyone else, nor does the government. That is a personal decision between the soul of the child, it's mother and whatever god that person believes in. Pro Choice is NOT Pro Abortion. The Republicans would like to take that choice away and dictate what a person should or shouldn't do in that regard. Not surprising as Bush has trampled on Civil Rights in the last 8 years.
C) Gay marriage.. also a matter of choice. In a land where there is supposed to be a seperation of church and state the Republicans constantly say that biblical Gay marriage is wrong wrong wrong. Well it may be wrong to religion.. BUT where talking about a legal instituation. If someone wants to be gay and marry someone else who is gay they have that right to do so.. and no one should remove that right to their life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.
D) I'm so tired of Republicans favoring big corporations, particularly oil companies... among others. We are falling behind the rest of the world when it comes to fuel efficient cars etc. Reason, the car companies don't want to make that change because it hurts their bottom line.. well boo hoo.. the big CEO will have to take a 2 million bonus as opposed to a 4 million bonus .. (just throwing numbers and examples out there) Bottom line is our focus needs to be on developing bio fuels. I LOVED Barracks speech about revitalizing the auto industry here in the U.S creating fuel efficient cars and openning up some factories in places like Michigan and creating American Jobs with the creation of more fuel efficient cars. I LOVE the idea of investing more money in clean bio fuels and new energy sources that will be better for the environment and lift our dependence on foreign oil (thereby we wouldn't have to be so involved with the nutbags in the middle east!! constantly.
And.. so that companies can "maximize" their bottom lines..they get tax breaks AND they get to take jobs overseas!! IN the end it is destroying American, killing jobs.. squeezing the middle class... and is just plain wrong. I liked that Obama has a plan to take AWAY tax breaks to companies that ship jobs overseas.. Im tired of calling tech support to get some Indian guy I can't even understand!!! Bring that job back home and keep the salary in the hands of the American's.. and hey.. get this.. the more jobs there are, the more money Americans can make the more they can spend on your products!!
The big oil companies constantly lobby against all of it and buy our politicians so that they can enjoy their big windfall profits.. in the meantime the workign middle class has to figure out how the hell they are going to feed, heat their house etc. Disgusting.. If Exxon is scared of bio fuels and cleaner coal and nuclear power.. because their profits will plunder.. but then a new industry and jobs will arise.. one that will benefit not only the people but the planet..
C) The Republicans want to stick to the old way of doing things.. particularly with health care.. and it doesn't worked.. hasn't worked and is continuing to fail terribly.. They stick to the old way on so many ideas , afraid to let go and be innovative. They seem to have a we can't do attitude whereas the Democrats have a We Can DO attitude.. after all , it was a Democratic president that got the space age going.. and It will be a democratic president that will get the new age started.
Being more solidified in my beliefs and the vision for this country, I just can not see myself voting for a Republican who seems to be the complete opposite...
They tried to throw a little "bone" to us by putting a woman in the VP Seat next to McCain.. but it isn't enough ..
There is much more at stake in this election than what gender is in office.. And that is wether this country moves into the new century with new ideas, a better foreign policy and a stronger economy...
And for those who say it's abuot "wealth redistribution" or socialism.. keep this in mind.. while the rich are getter richer and the middle class is struggling.. your ability to get rich is drying up.. why? because we are the consumers that keep your money flowing.. hoard your money, do all you can to maximize your profits at our expense and watch how your profits dry up as you squeeze us more and more!!
You sure sound like a Democrat to me. I am curious though about your view on abortion, what say exactly does the unborn baby's soul that you mention have in the matter?
You sure sound like a Democrat to me. I am curious though about your view on abortion, what say exactly does the unborn baby's soul that you mention have in the matter?
Thank you..
As for the "soul" this comes from my own spritual beliefs. I believe that every person , every soul that touches your life, insignificant or not, is there by design and for a purpose.
I believe that God created our souls with free will , and that we come herer to live on earth to experience for God. We chart challenges for ourselves that are so intricately intertwined and that all the people in our lives are there to help us and we them in their lifes purpose. It's like we each , on a spiritual subconcious level, make "agreements" with each other..
And so that soul of the child .. maybe that soul came to be in that persons life to be there for the moment and NOT exist NOW..maybe the opposite. It's not that I believe everthing is pre ordained.. because again, we have free choice..but basically that choice is do I take road A or do I take Road B. No matter what hte choice is the soul learns and grows from that experience..
If that child is not born now, it will simply be born later either to the same parents or maybe to another.. maybe not.. but that soul touched that persons life (the mother) and taught her something (wether she realizes it now or not).
I also do not believe in a god that judges or renders punishment.. rather when we pass we will have to judge ourselves and live with whatever we feel or think about the choices we made. because our ultimate goal is to be a perfect a being as God, which of course we may not achieve but we strive too.
So therefore the abortion choice is between teh soul of the mother, the soul of that child and God.... what right do I have to interfere with that souls decisions..
And there are earthly consequences for such decisoins. One being that if she has the child her life will change and she is responsible.. or if she doesn't she may feel guilt or whatever for the rest of her life.. but that is her choice and her own cross to bear.
K.. you asked..so I shared..I'm not a preachy person.. people also have the right to believe what they believe.. ..as long as they don't push that belief on someone else..
and i personally feel that each religion, while good in it's own right, tends to loose sight of a much larger picture.. but whatever helps someone get through this life and make it a little easier, it is the right choice for them.
I just wanted to acknowledge your long and thoughtful post. I actually agree with you on many things. I also want to see jobs come back to America. I don't, however, trust Obama. His association with Wright and Ayers really disturbs me a great deal. I don't like socialism.
Having said that, McCain/Palin don't inspire trust either, but for different reasons. I will end up voting for them because I believe they will be more forceful in the foreign policy arena. I haven't felt this cynical in an election in my entire voting life.
I just wanted to acknowledge your long and thoughtful post. I actually agree with you on many things. I also want to see jobs come back to America. I don't, however, trust Obama. His association with Wright and Ayers really disturbs me a great deal. I don't like socialism.
Having said that, McCain/Palin don't inspire trust either, but for different reasons. I will end up voting for them because I believe they will be more forceful in the foreign policy arena. I haven't felt this cynical in an election in my entire voting life.
Thanks for the discussion.
You're welcome...and I thank you too..
I did also consider the foreign policy issue.. and I am also thinking Obama is the choice for that..
President Bush and the Republican policies have erroded the worlds faith in this country.. and I'm afraid with yet another Republican at the helm that won't be helped much. I do believe and enthusiastic, well spoken man of MIXED race from the United States with a fresh and innovative vision for American is a great refreshment that will spill over into our foreign policy..
I actually would feel more Secure with Obama at hte helm then McCain. I think the republicans are too quick and too willing to forgo diplomacy and go right to the guns.
I just wanted to acknowledge your long and thoughtful post. I actually agree with you on many things. I also want to see jobs come back to America. I don't, however, trust Obama. His association with Wright and Ayers really disturbs me a great deal. I don't like socialism.
Having said that, McCain/Palin don't inspire trust either, but for different reasons. I will end up voting for them because I believe they will be more forceful in the foreign policy arena. I haven't felt this cynical in an election in my entire voting life.
Thanks for the discussion.
Being forceful in foreign policy is not a positive. Forceful does not mean insightful. This blind cowboy mentality to foreign policy has gotten us into more trouble more than once and cause our international standing to go down the toilet.
Because of our stubbornness in getting the cooperation of other countries, our Iraq war has gone much worse than necessary. And case in point of a forceful attitude, if the administration had been insightful rather than forceful, they would have heed General Shinseki's assessment during the invasion hearing.
Instead, they actually snicker at him on the huge number of troops needed to secure Iraq. Turns out he was right, we actually need more, much more. We need insightful ppl but McBush, in his speeches and ads on Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, the Georgia conflict, has proven to be too much like Bush administration in terms of his foreign policy approach, and is actually more blindly confronting than Bush. We can expect more unnecessary, expanded and longer conflicts abroad if McBush comes into power.
He chose a woman to get those that were upset HIllary is not on the ticket or the presidential Nominee on his side!!
Lets hope us woman see through that!!
As a woman.. I'm insulted that he would cow tow to us in that way!!!
The LAST thing we need is another Republican in the presidential chair..
Barracks speech last night was amazing!! HE was amazinG!!
He is the future.. McCain is the past!
We'll eventually have our woman in office.. but I'd rather have the no woman than a woman from the wrong party!!
It appears many citizens are insulted, including men who have a great deal of respect for women and have championed their causes.
Senator Obama's speech was amazing, and he and Senator Clinton have shown us all that a campaign can be tough & challenging, and can most certainly reveal a female candidate who is capable of being Commander in Chief.
He chose a woman to get those that were upset HIllary is not on the ticket or the presidential Nominee on his side!!
Lets hope us woman see through that!!
As a woman.. I'm insulted that he would cow tow to us in that way!!!
The LAST thing we need is another Republican in the presidential chair..
Barracks speech last night was amazing!! HE was amazinG!!
He is the future.. McCain is the past!
We'll eventually have our woman in office.. but I'd rather have the no woman than a woman from the wrong party!!
Its so true and beyond pathetic....It also throws any professional women back fifty years....I cannot believe we live in America and STILL are treated like disaffected minorities....
It appears many citizens are insulted, including men who have a great deal of respect for women and have championed their causes.
Senator Obama's speech was amazing, and he and Senator Clinton have shown us all that a campaign can be tough & challenging, and can most certainly reveal a female candidate who is capable of being Commander in Chief.
Glad to hear from a man who isnt a misogynist ...Some posts here today are VERY upsetting and set women back fifty years...........
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.. (just throwing numbers and examples out there) Bottom line is our focus needs to be on developing bio fuels. I LOVED Barracks speech about revitalizing the auto industry here in the U.S creating fuel efficient cars and openning up some factories in places like Michigan and creating American Jobs with the creation of more fuel efficient cars. I LOVE the idea of investing more money in clean bio fuels and new energy sources that will be better for the environment and lift our dependence on foreign oil (thereby we wouldn't have to be so involved with the nutbags in the middle east!! constantly.
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