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Old 08-30-2008, 10:51 AM
 
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I seriously think he would be leading McCain 70%-30% or something similar. It's so sad to me how just one issue can ward off so many religious folk. I am pro-life myself, but also know who would be a far better president when it comes to everything else (economy, foreign affairs, improving the general morale of the nation which is greatly determined by public perception, etc.). So I will be voting for Obama. Any thoughts on the first statement? Agree? Disagree?
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Old 08-30-2008, 10:56 AM
 
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Anything is possible. It seems like many people think pro-life and democrat can not go together.

IMO, if McCain becomes president, abortion will not become illegal. Abortion will still be an arguement 30 years from now like it was 30 years ago. And the same as with Obama.. that's one issue that just isn't going to change anytime soon. It seems to me it'd make sense to vote more on issues that are possible to change right now. The economy, oil dependence, etc..
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Old 08-30-2008, 10:57 AM
 
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He's still a socialist. Many of us are capitalists. Simple as that. On any given day, that's worth 42% against Obama.
I say privatize almost everything. Obama would cringe at that statement.
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Old 08-30-2008, 11:01 AM
 
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Disagree. Over the years, I have voted for plenty of Dems whose take on the issue was making abortion legal but rare. However, Obama is over-the-top on this issue. Even though NARAL and everyone else supported the law that would provide comfort and care to infants who survived abortion, Obama voted and lobbied AGAINST it. That's just beyond cold.

I am pro-life but certainly don't vote solely on the basis of abortion stances. It's among my "second tier" issues. When I'm unsure about a candidate, though, I take it into consideration and Obama's is so extreme that there is no way I could vote for him. How could I trust that someone who can't even see fit to provide care for a dying baby would actually care about other people who can't or won't vote for him???
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Old 08-30-2008, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Disagree. I don't vote democrat b/c they are consistently trying to raise MY taxes.
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Old 08-30-2008, 11:10 AM
 
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Disagree. I don't vote democrat b/c they are consistently trying to raise MY taxes.
As stands, let's say I "lose" about $500 per paycheck for taxes. That is not going to improve, no matter who is president. I am perfectly ok at the thought that with Obama, I might lose $530 per paycheck towards taxes and have a better America with a better morale. Not to mention it is worth an extra $30 per paycheck to actually have a nation that the rest of the world respects (and we are not speaking of respect as in just fear).

But that is just one man's (my) politically uneducated opinion (and I mean that sincerely, not sarcasticly).
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Old 08-30-2008, 11:13 AM
 
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I seriously think he would be leading McCain 70%-30% or something similar. It's so sad to me how just one issue can ward off so many religious folk. I am pro-life myself, but also know who would be a far better president when it comes to everything else (economy, foreign affairs, improving the general morale of the nation which is greatly determined by public perception, etc.). So I will be voting for Obama. Any thoughts on the first statement? Agree? Disagree?
The MAIN problem is Obama is a closeted (he thinks) anti American Marxist who can't even keep his own beliefs strong in public since he has to hide them so he appears indecisive. He believes in distribution of wealth due to his imaginary class warfare and is a radical exactly as we saw vis a vis Rev Wright for 20 years and his American hating wife, writing papers at Princeton against her fellow students saying they made her uncomfortable (paraphrasing). Even though she was there thanks to affirmative action.

The SECOND problem is Obama is plain old unlikeable. Smug, condescending, superior attitude and we Americans like our politicians to suck up appropriately. Like Bill Clinton, my political hero. He truely likes people and knows how to show it. Obama is busy trying to develop a persona since he had no role models in life and was attracted to the other radical anti-Americans. So he took on the charm school approach trying to fit in superficially. Cool guy. hrmph...

The other ENOURMOUS PROBLEM IS ABORTION YES.

The problem about abortion is that the issue is NOT Roe v wade but Obama's outRAGEOUS support of refusing any medical treatment and ALSO COMFORT to an infant born alive at late term botched abortions. The baby is not allowed to be held while it dies it has to be put in "the closet" alone to die.

I am not an abortion suporter one way or another...it's not my demographic but I could take a position if I put my mind to it.

BUT I would never treat any living breathing thing that way. Not a bird, dog, fish, old person,,,, NOBODY.

THIS ISSUE ALONE is enough to ruin him politically if done right, IMO.

FURTHER, this issue alone will escalate the other abortion debates into high gear when normally it's pretty much under control.

Now having Palin? Oh god, all hell will probably break loose since she is the antithesis of him.

That is my analysis and we'll see how it plays out.
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Old 08-30-2008, 11:14 AM
 
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As stands, let's say I "lose" about $500 per paycheck for taxes. That is not going to improve, no matter who is president. I am perfectly ok at the thought that with Obama, I might lose $530 per paycheck towards taxes and have a better America with a better morale. Not to mention it is worth an extra $30 per paycheck to actually have a nation that the rest of the world respects (and we are not speaking of respect as in just fear).

But that is just one man's (my) politically uneducated opinion (and I mean that sincerely, not sarcasticly).

If that's as little as you pay in taxes, no wonder you don't care.

Ok, ok...that was outta line. But seriously, arbitrarily picking $250k as "rich enough to pay extra taxes"? Lame.
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Old 08-30-2008, 11:22 AM
 
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He's still a socialist. Many of us are capitalists. Simple as that. On any given day, that's worth 42% against Obama.
I say privatize almost everything. Obama would cringe at that statement.
So would any thinking person. Privatize almost everything...hmmm.
There are very clear historical reasons why we don't privatize "almost everything." When the country was founded, everything was in private hands and over the last 200+ years we have found that those privatized services just don't work!

Now for this repeated nonsense about Obama being a "socialist," if there aren't two words that more abused than socialist and fascist I don't know what they are. Obama isn't a socialist by any known meaning of the word, nor is there any connection between Obama's policies and those of any socialist movement in history.
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Old 08-30-2008, 11:44 AM
 
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I seriously think he would be leading McCain 70%-30% or something similar. It's so sad to me how just one issue can ward off so many religious folk. I am pro-life myself, but also know who would be a far better president when it comes to everything else (economy, foreign affairs, improving the general morale of the nation which is greatly determined by public perception, etc.). So I will be voting for Obama. Any thoughts on the first statement? Agree? Disagree?

i think it's great that just one issue can ward off so many religious folk.. that's called standing up for what you believe is right. not alot of ppl do it anymore. many, many people feel strongly against the killing of babies, and will not support it no matter what other things can be gained as a result.
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