Can Cool Heads Prevail?

[LML]

Originally Posted by Bob The Builder

There is a thread out there that implies that REPUBLICANS should not exist. Some agree. Perhaps you can start to real in YOUR side.

#1. Where did I ever state or even imply that it was only the rabid haters from the right that I feared?

#2. "MY side", as you call it, is the U.S.A. I do not belong to a political party, never have, and have voted for candidates from both major parties and candidates that do NOT belong to EITHER major party. I try to vote for the candidate that I think will be the best for MY country.

[runswithscissors]

Originally Posted by person

You know why? YOU WANNA KNOW WHY I AM MAKING NAME CALLING IRRATIONAL ATTACKS ONLINE? Because I am afraid, so afraid of another 4 years of Bush. But I can't do anything else besides voting on that day. But you what know, that wouldn't help. Because I am in a state which will go for McBush, the feeling of helplessness in prevent disaster on our country is making me even madder.

But the ultimately madness are that the dumb ****s who voted for Bush get to do so again after they ****ed up our country

You should be scared. Your candidate has 140 days in the Congress before embarking on his Presidential bid.

He takes credit for opposing the Iraq war when he wasn't even in the Senate to vote on it. He's repeatedly mispoken about WHY he was even against it citing Jay Rockefeller (D) as the committee chair on intelligence who voted against it which was wrong, Rockefeller voted FOR it AND he wasn't the chair of Intelligence anyway. It was a whole different guy. Seem to me if Iraq was his whole platform, he'd have a better memory. KINDA like the movie Working Girl.

He supported the radical Anti American Rev Wright for 20 years then couldn't bring himself to split with him until he was forced to for political purposes. Going back on his word that he could never go against him.

And he runs on a platform of CHANGE (until my ears bleed) then picks old Biden, the ultimate insider and someone who got no votes or confidence from the country when HE ran....and said Obama wasn't qualified anyway. Was he forced to chose Biden or was he scared not to have an oldtimer helping him like Cheney? BIDEN, who voted for Iraq. WTF.

[Then late last year Biden sponsors a bill to chop up Iraq into three parts and everybody votes for it like a bunch of dopes as if they can control how Iraq governs. Not binding in the least. WTF how about you do some real work instead of lobbying for stupid crap that doesn't count for anything.]


Let's not rewrite history. There's enough blame to go around and yes, especially with Shrub. Iraq KATRINA? ....but McCain is not Bush. But Obama doesn't even seem to be "OBAMA".

Clinton had a Democratic Congress after the 1992 election and couldn't even get them to vote on his health care plan or any form of one.

1994 the Congress went to a Republican majority for the first time since 1946. Democrats lost seats all over the country. Why? A series of scandals. And Bubba lost control

Gore 2000 lost to Bush by losing his OWN HOME STATE of Tennessee. (and a few others, too) Tennessee alone would have given him the presidency.

Congress 2001 was exactly an 50-50 split (with Cheney as a tie breaker) until June when some guy went over to DEMOCRAT so there was a one seat majority ... and still...we got Iraq.

October 2002 Iraq War vote:
only 61% of Democratic Representatives voted against the resolution
only 42% of Democratic Senators voted against it

OBAMA wasn't even in the Senate then to vote.
BIDEN voted for it.
KERRY voted for it. Now running around with the single accusation against McCain that he voted for it.

They're all a bunch of phonies but in my view, McCain is the least phony and Palin is one of us. Not a radical Anti American, Marxist, Black Liberation Theology follower.

Obama announcement:

"I know that I haven't spent a lot of time learning the ways of Washington, but I've been there long enough to know that the ways of Washington must change."

EDWARDS 2003:

"I haven't spent most of my life in politics, which most of you know, but I've spent enough time in Washington to know how much we need to change Washington."

OBAMAworld :

Remember this one?

"This young man named Barack Obama got one of those tickets and came over to this country. He met this woman whose great great-great-great-grandfather had owned slaves; but she had a good idea there was some craziness going on because they looked at each other and they decided that we know that the world as it has been it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child. There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I’m not coming home to Selma, Alabama."


REALITY:
Obama was born in 1961, and the Selma march occurred in 1965.

Don't be gullible, easy targets. If you don't face reality that the entire political world is the same you're heading for a major shock, sorry LOL.

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[lilypad]

People regress when they get scared. Both sides fearful, as there is such a wide chasm now, moreso than ever, between the parties; the ideologies vastly different. That aside, Obama is not going to be exacting any positive change. His is a socialist agenda, it never works. He is young, inexperienced, naive and narcissistic, but is not enough to sustain the viability of a nation. If the country can remain The United States of America (not Chinese, Russian, Aztlan or Islamist) it will be a big feat if Obama is CIC. On the other hand, McCain will be the same old same old. More war, more debt. So if we survive the next four years with either of them it will be a huge relief to alot of people. Hopefully, a real leader will have "appeared" by that time. God knows we need one.

[Bob The Builder]

Originally Posted by LML

#1. Where did I ever state or even imply that it was only the rabid haters from the right that I feared?

No where. I did not assume this.

#2. "MY side", as you call it, is the U.S.A. I do not belong to a political party, never have, and have voted for candidates from both major parties and candidates that do NOT belong to EITHER major party. I try to vote for the candidate that I think will be the best for MY country.

That's why I ask you to help clean up. I was under the impression that you were from a reasonable pro Obama position

You are missing my point. I was not attacking you. Only asking to help stop the threats and intimidation.

[anifani821]

Great post and you expressed many of my thoughts about this election, even tho I am a Republican. It has been like a playground brawl - as far as the supporters on BOTH sides.

My son and I just got into a verbal tangle this morning, b/c of this very issue. He says I am "out of touch" and I say he is "voting for Socialism."

SIGH.

Thank you again, Captn, for a very thought provoking post.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by person

You know why? YOU WANNA KNOW WHY I AM MAKING NAME CALLING IRRATIONAL ATTACKS ONLINE?

There is NO EXCUSE - None - for your rude behavior IMO

[Mom2Feebs]

Originally Posted by LML

To a certain degree I agree with you. HOWEVER, I am going to be real honest here and tell you that some of the posters on here scare me to death. I'm not young and I'm certainly not foolish enough to think that the world is full of calm, rational, kind people...I know there are jerks out there. But, until I started reading this forum I had never heard this level of irrational bile spewed forth on a regular basis by some who post here. And just knowing there is that much hatred boiling around out there is frightening. Not for me personally but for our beloved nation. How can a house so horribly divided stand?

It can't.

From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependency back into bondage.
~Author Unknown

The Truth About Tytler

[geekduo]

I do think it is important to stick to the issues. Debating the issues can get heated and that is welcome. But, resorting to pettiness and name calling will get us nowhere. Lets hope that the candidates themselves can keep this a clean debate with no smear campaigns.
Things such as marital relationships, pregnancies, and physical appearance really have no impact on the qualifications of an individual for office. Would a hiring manager even consider those things when hiring an engineer, doctor, or lawyer? No, and we shouldn't either.
I see a lot of people taking more interest in this election than others in the recent past. The current economic times and international problems are affecting peoples lives and making them stand up and take a stand. A lot of people are looking deeply into the news of the candidates to glean who will help us better our country.
I would venture one step further and ask people to vote on the economic and international issues. I realize that the moral issues are very important and shouldn't be ignored. But let's prioritize. Those hot button moral issues will never go away. But they shouldn't overshadow the broader and very important issues of our economy and the health of our nation.
Don't be sheep that simply follow a leader because they seem to say what we want to hear. Educate yourself. Don't take words at face value, look deeper into facts. Politicians on both sides are capable of handing out the data that supports their side of an issue. Lets work together to get the complete story. I'm not an expert on these issues. Few of us are. But I do believe that we all want what is best for our country. The debate is about the details of how that is best accomplished. If we waste our time on the trivial stuff, we don't get anywhere.

[Packersnut21]

I agree with the OP. When you have people saying your Anti-Ameircan if you vote opposite them it's ridiculous. I think when you have people calling Gov. Palin's infant with D.S. a "tard" it is ridiculous. I dont know why some people act like children when it comes to politics. I can honestly say I, a Red Sox fan, have been treated better by Yankee fans than I have by people who have the opposite views in here. If you know baseball that is saying alot

[tkemery]

Originally Posted by runswithscissors

You should be scared. Your candidate has 140 days in the Congress before embarking on his Presidential bid.

He takes credit for opposing the Iraq war when he wasn't even in the Senate to vote on it. He's repeatedly mispoken about WHY he was even against it citing Jay Rockefeller (D) as the committee chair on intelligence who voted against it which was wrong, Rockefeller voted FOR it AND he wasn't the chair of Intelligence anyway. It was a whole different guy. Seem to me if Iraq was his whole platform, he'd have a better memory. KINDA like the movie Working Girl.

He supported the radical Anti American Rev Wright for 20 years then couldn't bring himself to split with him until he was forced to for political purposes. Going back on his word that he could never go against him.

And he runs on a platform of CHANGE (until my ears bleed) then picks old Biden, the ultimate insider and someone who got no votes or confidence from the country when HE ran....and said Obama wasn't qualified anyway. Was he forced to chose Biden or was he scared not to have an oldtimer helping him like Cheney? BIDEN, who voted for Iraq. WTF.

[Then late last year Biden sponsors a bill to chop up Iraq into three parts and everybody votes for it like a bunch of dopes as if they can control how Iraq governs. Not binding in the least. WTF how about you do some real work instead of lobbying for stupid crap that doesn't count for anything.]


Let's not rewrite history. There's enough blame to go around and yes, especially with Shrub. Iraq KATRINA? ....but McCain is not Bush. But Obama doesn't even seem to be "OBAMA".

Clinton had a Democratic Congress after the 1992 election and couldn't even get them to vote on his health care plan or any form of one.

1994 the Congress went to a Republican majority for the first time since 1946. Democrats lost seats all over the country. Why? A series of scandals. And Bubba lost control

Gore 2000 lost to Bush by losing his OWN HOME STATE of Tennessee. (and a few others, too) Tennessee alone would have given him the presidency.

Congress 2001 was exactly an 50-50 split (with Cheney as a tie breaker) until June when some guy went over to DEMOCRAT so there was a one seat majority ... and still...we got Iraq.

October 2002 Iraq War vote:
only 61% of Democratic Representatives voted against the resolution
only 42% of Democratic Senators voted against it

OBAMA wasn't even in the Senate then to vote.
BIDEN voted for it.
KERRY voted for it. Now running around with the single accusation against McCain that he voted for it.

They're all a bunch of phonies but in my view, McCain is the least phony and Palin is one of us. Not a radical Anti American, Marxist, Black Liberation Theology follower.

Obama announcement:

"I know that I haven't spent a lot of time learning the ways of Washington, but I've been there long enough to know that the ways of Washington must change."

EDWARDS 2003:

"I haven't spent most of my life in politics, which most of you know, but I've spent enough time in Washington to know how much we need to change Washington."

OBAMAworld :

Remember this one?

"This young man named Barack Obama got one of those tickets and came over to this country. He met this woman whose great great-great-great-grandfather had owned slaves; but she had a good idea there was some craziness going on because they looked at each other and they decided that we know that the world as it has been it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child. There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I’m not coming home to Selma, Alabama."


REALITY:
Obama was born in 1961, and the Selma march occurred in 1965.

Don't be gullible, easy targets. If you don't face reality that the entire political world is the same you're heading for a major shock, sorry LOL.

.

Thank you for saying what we all know. Instead of name calling and hatred spewing, you used fact and intelligent discussion. The Ofollowers should take a lesson from you.