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Old 09-05-2008, 06:17 AM
 
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Why should employers pay equal pay for both men and women, if critics of VP Candidate Palin (such as Sally Quinn of the Washington Post, and others from the left and right alike) indicate that as a mother, VP Candidate Palin will be unable to put her job first and her family second?
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Old 09-05-2008, 06:58 AM
 
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Very valid issue that I see no liberal wants to discuss.
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Old 09-05-2008, 06:58 AM
 
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Wow that is an interesting question. As a working parent,man or woman, do family activities or work activities take precedence. My own opinion, since kids like to wear clothes, sleep in a bed, and eat, work usually does take precedence when there is a conflict. Thoughts?
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Old 09-05-2008, 07:00 AM
 
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It all depends on how you define "Equal Work." A single dad of 5 might not be able to the same amount of work a single woman with no kids. He shouldn't be arguing for equal pay.

Last edited by Hero; 09-05-2008 at 07:14 AM..
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Old 09-05-2008, 07:12 AM
 
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The crux of the issue is that people in comparable positions, who are performing at comparable levels, should receive comparable compensation. Therefore women who are underperforming their male counterparts because of family or other responsibilities are not a part of the equation.

~ButterBrownBiscuit~
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Old 09-05-2008, 07:22 AM
 
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"Equal pay" will be received when women start to put in "equal work".
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Old 09-05-2008, 07:47 AM
 
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"Equal pay" will be received when women start to put in "equal work".
HIstorically, that is not a true statement. My aunt was a trailblazer in her company because she would only apply for promotions into positions previously held by a man and would only take the position if the same starting salary was offered. Two things at work here. Starting salary is the key, because promotions and raises are based on performance, but starting salary is usually based on expectations which should be the same for both. The second thing is that although she did not have children, she did have ill family members in her care so she had assembled the necessary support team. A man I worked until recently was let go because he took too much time off to take his kids to the doctor and meet their school needs. So it can affect all employees.
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Old 09-05-2008, 07:52 AM
 
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The crux of the issue is that people in comparable positions, who are performing at comparable levels, should receive comparable compensation. Therefore women who are underperforming their male counterparts because of family or other responsibilities are not a part of the equation.

~ButterBrownBiscuit~
The argument from Sally Quinn (who by all assessments leans heavily to the right) is that there are fundamental differences between men and women when it comes to raising a family. Often employees are valued not only by what they have accomplished, but by what their potential may or may not hold. If a woman is "fertile", then wouldn't Sally's logic show that there a potential for decreased productivity in the future?... and if so, wouldn't that give just cause for decreased value now?

Hopefully those that read this will understand, that I'm writing this just to spur some intelligent debate... and not because I actually believe that women are worth less to society.
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Old 09-05-2008, 07:52 AM
 
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Default Same but different

Last time I checked, a woman will be paid the same as a man when holding the office of Vice President of the United States. With that in mind, if the choice fell to you (and it ultimately does) you would want to pick the best person to hold the position regardless of gender.

How about we ask this question, are all women worth the same pay? To my mind that speaks to the spirit of the relevant issue as many would argue that Governor Palin’s experience would not earn her the same paycheck as say US Senator Kay Bailey Hutchinson.
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Old 09-05-2008, 08:00 AM
 
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McCain opposes equal pay bill in Senate
Republican Sen. John McCain said Wednesday he opposes a Senate bill that seeks equal pay for women because it would lead to more lawsuits

McCain dismisses equal pay legislation, says women need more ‘training and education.’
Today, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) skipped the vote on the Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which “restores the longstanding interpretation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act,” overturned last year by a 5-4 Supreme Court ruling. In New Orleans today, McCain explained his opposition to the bill by claiming it “opens us up to lawsuits for all kinds of problems.” Later in New Orleans, he added that instead of legislation allowing women to fight for equal pay, they simply need “education and training
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