Obama: "We're Not Going To Mess With" Americans' Guns" (health care, votes)

[motoracer51]

Hahahaha....Obama's record on the 2nd is LAUGHABLE. What a liar.

Obama: "We're Not Going To Mess With" Americans' Guns - From The Road

Obama: "We're Not Going To Mess With" Americans' Guns
Posted by Maria Gavrilovic| 21

(CBS)From CBS News' Maria Gavrilovic:

(DURYEA, PA.) It’s been almost 6 months since Obama suggested that people cling to guns because they are bitter, a.k.a. “bitter-gate,” but he is still plagued by questions about his position on gun control. At a town hall meeting today, a voter told Obama that there are rumors that he is going to take away guns. “People love hunting,” the man told Obama.

Obama said he is aware that the issue is being “peddled again and again,” but he assured the crowd that he will not take away guns that are legally obtained.

“I believe in the Second Amendment, and if you are a law-abiding gun owner, you have nothing to fear from an Obama administration!”

Obama said his support for gun safety measures – such as background checks- does not mean that he opposes all gun ownership.

“Now, the NRA sometimes... their general attitude is look, we don’t want anything, and if you even breathe the word ‘gun control’ or ‘gun safety,’ then you must want to take away everybody’s guns. Well, that’s just not true,” he said adding that illegal guns are his concern, not those used for sportsmanship.

He also keenly noted that even if he intended to take away guns, he would not have the power to do so as president. “I couldn’t get it done. I don’t have the votes in Congress.”

As he wrapped up his rather lengthy explanation, Obama urged the crowd to look at his policies on the economy and health care rather than gun control.

“This can’t be the reason not to vote for me,” Obama said, “Because your guns... we’re not going to mess with them... spread the word with your friends.”

* Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
* FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
* Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
* Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)
* 2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)
* Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
* Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
* Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
* Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban. (Oct 2004)
* Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
* Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)

[delusianne]

It's your prerogative to believe that Obama's voting record is restrictive. Makes good sense to me. Do you live in a city?

People believe what they want to believe... and they want to believe that Obama can't wait to take their guns away. I think the NRA sends out notices about this every election season - the Clintons wanted to take families' guns away too, if memory serves, probably Jimmy Carter did too.

[Splinter]

according to Obama...we "cling" to our guns. And our religion for that matter.

[delusianne]

Originally Posted by Splinter

according to Obama...we "cling" to our guns. And our religion for that matter.

Do you remember the context in which he said that?

[Noahma]

Originally Posted by motoracer51

Hahahaha....Obama's record on the 2nd is LAUGHABLE. What a liar.

Obama: "We're Not Going To Mess With" Americans' Guns - From The Road

Obama: "We're Not Going To Mess With" Americans' Guns
Posted by Maria Gavrilovic| 21

(CBS)From CBS News' Maria Gavrilovic:

(DURYEA, PA.) It’s been almost 6 months since Obama suggested that people cling to guns because they are bitter, a.k.a. “bitter-gate,” but he is still plagued by questions about his position on gun control. At a town hall meeting today, a voter told Obama that there are rumors that he is going to take away guns. “People love hunting,” the man told Obama.

Obama said he is aware that the issue is being “peddled again and again,” but he assured the crowd that he will not take away guns that are legally obtained.

“I believe in the Second Amendment, and if you are a law-abiding gun owner, you have nothing to fear from an Obama administration!”

Obama said his support for gun safety measures – such as background checks- does not mean that he opposes all gun ownership.

“Now, the NRA sometimes... their general attitude is look, we don’t want anything, and if you even breathe the word ‘gun control’ or ‘gun safety,’ then you must want to take away everybody’s guns. Well, that’s just not true,” he said adding that illegal guns are his concern, not those used for sportsmanship.

He also keenly noted that even if he intended to take away guns, he would not have the power to do so as president. “I couldn’t get it done. I don’t have the votes in Congress.”

As he wrapped up his rather lengthy explanation, Obama urged the crowd to look at his policies on the economy and health care rather than gun control.

“This can’t be the reason not to vote for me,” Obama said, “Because your guns... we’re not going to mess with them... spread the word with your friends.”

* Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
* FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
* Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
* Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)
* 2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)
* Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
* Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
* Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
* Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban. (Oct 2004)
* Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
* Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)

he may not take away guns, but he will help bring legislation that will make it too expensive for the ordinary citizen to own a gun, or buy ammo like they are attempting to do in Cali.

[LIOC]

Originally Posted by delusianne

Do you remember the context in which he said that?

Context is for foreigners. Be an American

[Arcane]

Snip
“So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,”
/Snip

Looks like he's saying people lose hope on a greater perspective and use smaller issues to drive their political beliefs or voting efforts. I think that's what he's getting at.

If that's what he's saying, he's got a damn good point. Our country seems to have a lot of people who vote on single issues, and often they are misinformed or genuinely ignorant on those issues.



"But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."