Two jobs and no health insurance, what will each candidate do for me?

[TristansMommy]

Originally Posted by BigJon3475

A little bit of socialism?

I don't think you even understand socialism....a little bit has nothing to do with it.

A little bit is the foot in the door to controlling ever aspect of your life.

Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is a reason Socialism, Marxism and Communism all come up in the same conversation. It's like trying to call creationism intelligent design.

The problem is not the concept of socialism.. or programs along the socialistic lines..

the problem arises in the extent to which you apply it.

Just like capatilism all by itself is bad too...

communism really has no place in the conversation and socialism DOES NOT have to lead to communism

any concept in it's extreme form without balance is bad no matter what it is.

[TristansMommy]

Originally Posted by amploud

A "little bit of socialism" is a phrase uttered by someone with absolutley no knowledge of history.

A "little bit of socialism" makes as much sense as saying someone is "a little bit dead."

Boy you have some narrow minded views! I know history.. don't profess to dismiss what I say on the premise that I don't know history or I'm not educated.

You would be wrong.

[TristansMommy]

At the worst, these causes of insecurity are intermittent. But poverty knows no armistice. It has seemed inseparable from our economic system--a constant rebuke to its boasted efficiency. For, in spite of all our sensational material achievements, our leaders of modern industry themselves say that we have failed to balance our capacity to consume with our capacity to produce. We have failed to give work to all those who would work. And while we have built up fortunes unheard of in times past, we have failed to provide the average worker with a wage that would insure him against dependence and privation in his old age. To preach thrift to a man who tries to support himself and a family on $20 a week will not solve the economic problem of his later years--not to mention any period of prolonged unemployment. It is not enough to tell him that this is still a land of boundless opportunity--when no jobs are available. It does no good to remind him that we have the highest standard of living on earth, if he cannot share in it. The fact remains that this average worker must work for another in order to live. He cannot go to the frontier, as many once did, for the frontier is c1osed out. He cannot emigrate to a newer land, as his ancestors did, for economic nationalism has to a large extent closed international borders. He must stay where he is and make the best of it, and that best is often not too good.

The above is taken from the Radio address given on Social Security in 1936 from Social Security Online History Pages: . HOw true it still rings today.

[BigJon3475]

So then you agree even after 72 years it's still failing....? It never reached the Utopia that everyone was told it would....and some might argue in fact it hasn't changed much of anything.

[TristansMommy]

Originally Posted by BigJon3475

So then you agree even after 72 years it's still failing....? It never reached the Utopia that everyone was told it would....and some might argue in fact it hasn't changed much of anything.

You think SS is a failure.. it is not.. SS has kept many elderly from living in squallor on the streets and hungry.

SS works, has been working and will work. As saginista pointed out possibly on another thread, it has needed changes and tweaks from time to time but what ever hasn't needed changes and adjustments..circumstances and life and times are constantly changing.

[amploud]

Originally Posted by BigJon3475

So then you agree even after 72 years it's still failing....? It never reached the Utopia that everyone was told it would....and some might argue in fact it hasn't changed much of anything.

Jon, I'd love to contribute to your position, but since it is "off topic" I will refrain and leave you with this:

USATODAY.com - A pyramid scheme we can afford to lose

[KantLockeMeIn]

Originally Posted by TristansMommy

You think SS is a failure.. it is not.. SS has kept many elderly from living in squallor on the streets and hungry.

SS works, has been working and will work. As saginista pointed out possibly on another thread, it has needed changes and tweaks from time to time but what ever hasn't needed changes and adjustments..circumstances and life and times are constantly changing.

Social security is a Ponzi scheme... if you are I tried to offer the same "service", we'd be put in jail. It has worked so far because there are enough workers to pay for the retirees, but given the trend for spending, increased lifespan of retirees, and the larger percentage of the population entering retirement, it's only a matter of time before the house of cards begins to topple.

The courts have already ruled that you have no right to get out of social security what you put into it.

[KantLockeMeIn]

Originally Posted by TristansMommy

Boy you have some narrow minded views! I know history.. don't profess to dismiss what I say on the premise that I don't know history or I'm not educated.

You would be wrong.

Prove us wrong by citing facts, statistics, and historical context.

[calp]

I am on your side. People will not understand until they are in a similar situation. Lost job, no health care coverage.
My daughter, juvenile diabetic since 8 yrs, a student studying abroad (student loans to the moon), cannot get health coverage. Aged out on parents insurance. Not insurable because of pre-existing condition for most health care insurance providers. Possible coverage through one commercial carrier, with one-year wait for coverage and at 500-600/month. Not eligible for help with insulin supplies, etc. We have tried everything. God be with you.