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09-12-2008, 03:05 PM
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Location: The Woods
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Originally Posted by Torresdale
Loss of habitat isn't a problem yet? An average of 600 moose are hit by cars a year in Alaska. That has nothing to do with loss of habitat? Okay.
Again, they're not overpopulated. They just happen to be fighting against man for the moose/deer and elk meat and they're losing.
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No it doesn't. Roads in AK (what few there are) cut right through wilderness. Moose are surprisingly aggressive and will stand their ground. Come around a bend in a narrow road in the wilderness and all of a sudden there's a moose in front of you...I'd say loss of habitat is only a real serious issue in the more developed areas in the state, mainly around Anchorage and its bedroom communities. And oddly enough that's not where the wolf control programs are centered on...the areas where the predator control is going on is mostly in remote, fly-in only locations.
The very fact that less than 1 percent of the land in AK is privately owned (the vast majority being owned by the federal and state governments) means the chances of having the habitat loss issues found in other states are lower in Alaska.
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09-12-2008, 03:06 PM
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Location: The Woods
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Originally Posted by jy_2007
Yeah exactly Ted Nugent, there are ways to solve problems without blowing up every living thing that inconveniences you.
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So what's your "solution" to overpopulation of humans?
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09-12-2008, 03:07 PM
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Location: Floribama
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These are the same looneys who claim we don't have a deer problem in the eastern US. Rather than control their numbers, it's better to let them eat your entire yard, garden, and forest and let them spread Lyme disease everywhere. Some of the "environmentalists" are city dwellers who don't have a clue what they are talking about. If the only animal you have ever seen is in a zoo, then shut the **** up.
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09-12-2008, 03:09 PM
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Location: Came-by-Chance
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Hunting any animal from an airplane is only done by freaks and cowards.....nuff said 
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09-12-2008, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jy_2007
Yeah exactly Ted Nugent, there are ways to solve problems without blowing up every living thing that inconveniences you.
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Various studies of wolf ecology have shown that the balance between wolf and prey populations is relatively fragile and can be easily disrupted. For example, severe winters may drastically reduce a big game population. Because many of Alaska's big game populations and their habitats are less productive than those in lower latitudes and because predators such as wolves and bears are still common here, human hunters will have to accept strict limitations on harvests from time to time. In some areas wolf numbers may need to be controlled in order to avoid relatively long periods of prey scarcity which could result in very low numbers of wolves and other furbearers.
Wolf: Wildlife Notebook Series - Alaska Department of Fish and Game
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09-12-2008, 03:11 PM
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Clearly there is enough disagreement on this topic to make the ad effective. Never underestimate the power of appealing to emotions. Turn about is fair play.
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09-12-2008, 03:11 PM
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Location: The Woods
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Originally Posted by shipm8
Hunting any animal from an airplane is only done by freaks and cowards.....nuff said 
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So you'd prefer people drive up and then shoot them?
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09-12-2008, 03:11 PM
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Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Originally Posted by Torresdale
Loss of habitat isn't a problem yet? An average of 600 moose are hit by cars a year in Alaska. That has nothing to do with loss of habitat? Okay.
Again, they're not overpopulated. They just happen to be fighting against man for the moose/deer and elk meat and they're losing.
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That's pretty much it in a nutshell: predator vs. predator and we have bigger 'claws.' The anti-wolf contingent can put it any way they want, but, the fact it, they want the moose and elk hunting tourists and their dollars and they aren't going to let any pesky wolves, native to that area, I might add, get in the way of their big paydays.
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09-12-2008, 03:13 PM
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Location: The Woods
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Originally Posted by domino
Clearly there is enough disagreement on this topic to make the ad effective. Never underestimate the power of appealing to emotions. Turn about is fair play.
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Appealing to emotions may or may not achieve the agenda of the person or group doing so, but it rarely results in intelligent decision making.
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09-12-2008, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TigerLily24
That's pretty much it in a nutshell: predator vs. predator and we have bigger 'claws.' The anti-wolf contingent can put it any way they want, but, the fact it, they want the moose and elk hunting tourists and their dollars and they aren't going to let any pesky wolves, native to that area, I might add, get in the way of their big paydays.
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The wildlife conservation in Alaska disagrees with your overall conclusion. Although you are correct in the sense that humans are affected by overpopulation of wolves....but so are wolves themselves and other big and small game.
What they are not letting get in the way is extinction.
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