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Old 09-12-2008, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Floribama
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Wow, they must really be overpopulated if you have to go fly in an airplane in the middle of no where to go looking for them.
Much much experience do YOU have with wild animals there in Philly? I'm not talking about dogs and kitty cats.
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Old 09-12-2008, 03:23 PM
 
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Some more facts we want to avoid:

"The wolf (Canis lupus) occurs throughout mainland Alaska, on Unimak Island in the Aleutians, and on all of the major islands in Southeast except Admiralty, Baranof, and Chichagof. This range includes about 85 percent of Alaska's 586,000 square-mile area."

http://www.adfg.state.ak.us/pubs/not...rbear/wolf.php
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Old 09-12-2008, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Let's avoid the facts and move on to emotionally based answers.
The fact is they are fighting against man for moose and they're losing, but that doesn't mean they're overpopulated.
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Old 09-12-2008, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Came-by-Chance
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It appears aerial hunting isn't excatly popular with many in Alaska as well....

"Nick Jans, one of the initiative sponsors, said it was tough going up against the Palin administration, Fish and Game, and members of the Alaska Outdoor Council. A strong Republican turnout also may have hurt their side, he said."

newsminer.com • Alaska voters shoot down predator control initiative
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Old 09-12-2008, 03:29 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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That's pretty much it in a nutshell: predator vs. predator and we have bigger 'claws.' The anti-wolf contingent can put it any way they want, but, the fact it, they want the moose and elk hunting tourists and their dollars and they aren't going to let any pesky wolves, native to that area, I might add, get in the way of their big paydays.
Actually, a healthy wolf population is very much wanted even just from an economic standpoint: healthy wolves are valuable to trappers, and trapping is pretty important to many in Alaska, so, a good, healthy population of wolves actually brings in a lot of money and wiping out or damaging the wolf population would bring an uproar from trappers. When there's an overpopulation, however, diseases become rampant and the wolves suffer a lot.
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Old 09-12-2008, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Most of the state is "the middle of nowhere" by your definition, with no road access. Get out a highway map of Alaska. It'll be pretty small, despite Alaska being the largest state. People do live in the bush though, and if the wolves overpopulate and create problems in these areas it spreads to other areas as the wolves leave in search of food that no longer exists there.
And, has it occurred to anyone that it is the over-hunting by humans that is causing the wolves to have to search in other areas for food?
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Old 09-12-2008, 03:31 PM
 
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The fact is they are fighting against man for moose and they're losing, but that doesn't mean they're overpopulated.
So if 85% of Alaska being covered by wolves isn't enough what is?

It's already been stated in some areas population control is needed.....and there is way more to it than man ain't gettin his way...

The above links are from "Wildlife Conservation"

The Wildlife Conservation Society saves wildlife and wild lands through careful science, international conservation, education, and the management of the world’s largest system of urban wildlife parks. These activities change attitudes toward nature and help people imagine wildlife and humans living in sustainable interaction on both a local and a global scale. WCS is committed to this work because we believe it essential to the integrity of life on Earth.

Saving Wildlife Home
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Old 09-12-2008, 03:33 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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And, has it occurred to anyone that it is the over-hunting by humans that is causing the wolves to have to search in other areas for food?
No, in the bush the population density is very low. The population density is something like .01 per square mile where my property is and it isn't even true bush since it has road access (but difficult access and far from a city). Much more hunting goes on closer to the population centers, and that's not where the predator control program is taking place...
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Old 09-12-2008, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Much much experience do YOU have with wild animals there in Philly? I'm not talking about dogs and kitty cats.
Sorry, I'm not stupid enough to live in the middle of an old forest and then complain about deer eating my plants or bear getting into my trash. Smartass.

We, do have deer in Philly though. And I did see a bald eagle once.
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Old 09-12-2008, 03:36 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Sorry, I'm not stupid enough to live in the middle of an old forest and then complain about deer eating my plants or bear getting into my trash. Smartass.

We, do have deer in Philly though. And I did see a bald eagle once.
It seems to me, I've noticed most of the supporters of the radical animal rights type groups are city dwellers who are detached from the natural world and have little personal experience with it.
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