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Old 09-12-2008, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Wantagh NY
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Hi all,
I have been visiting FactCheck.org a lot lately and have found something that should worry smart voters...the McCain/Palin team is constantly not telling the truth! Yes we all know in politics, that is how it works and that Obama is no saint...but he is not nearly as bad as McCain! I have only gone back about a month here and as you can see...lot's of lies!


McCain/Palins fibs
1, Palin says
Alaska supplies 20 percent of U.S. energy. Not true. Not even close. McCain gets it wrong too...
FactCheck.org: Energetically Wrong

2, A McCain-Palin TV ad accuses Obama of being "disrespectful" of Palin, but it distorts quotes to make the case.
FactCheck.org: Belittling Palin?

3, McCain-Palin Distorts Our Finding - Those attacks on Palin that we debunked didn't come from Obama.
FactCheck.org: McCain-Palin Distorts Our Finding

4, A McCain campaign ad claims Obama's "one accomplishment" was a bill to teach sex ed to kindergarten kids. Don't believe it. A Factual Failure.
FactCheck.org: Off Base on Sex Ed

5, McCain flubs in accepting the nomination. "force small businesses to cut jobs" and would put "a bureaucrat ... between you and your doctor." - not true. McCain attacked Obama for voting for "corporate welfare" for oil companies. - not true. McCain said oil imports send "$700 billion a year to countries that don't like us very much." - not true. He promised to increase use of "wind, tide [and] solar" energy, though his actual energy plan contains no new money for renewable energy. He called for "reducing government spending and getting rid of failed programs," but as in the past failed to cite a single program that he would eliminate or reduce. He said Obama would "close" markets to trade. In fact, Obama, though he once said he wanted to "renegotiate" the North American Free Trade Agreement, now says he simply wants to try to strengthen environmental and labor provisions in it.
FactCheck.org: FactChecking McCain

6, Palin trips up on her facts, and Giuliani and Huckabee have their own stumbles on Night 3 of the Republican confab. Bridge to Nowhere, Obama hasn’t authored “a single major law or even a reform” in the U.S. Senate or the
Illinois Senate
FactCheck.org: GOP Convention Spin, Part II

7, McCain's TV ad touting Palin and offering a comparison to Obama. "gave big oil billions in subsidies and giveaways," citing his votes for a 2005 energy bill. But the bill slightly raised taxes on the oil industry overall. The ad plucked a positive blurb about Palin from an Associated Press article that, in fact, was very much a mixed review. The AP said she "brings an ethical shadow to the [Republican] ticket," for example.
The ad also says Obama is the "most liberal" Senator. But the National Journal rated him the 16th most liberal in his first year and the 10th most liberal in his second.
FactCheck.org: Maverick Misleads

8, McCain ad wrongly claims Obama plans "painful tax increases" for working families. andd puts another stitch in what we've called his pattern of deceit on Obama's tax plan.
FactCheck.org: A New Stitch in a Bad Pattern

9, McCain ad cherry-picks Obama remarks on
Iran. The picture changes dramatically when Obama's full quotes are considered.
FactCheck.org: Context Included: Obama on Iran

10, Rezko - McCain misfires as he attacks Obama's home purchase.
FactCheck.org: Rezko Reality

Just for fun...as they are not part of McCain/Palin...
Giuliani distorted the time line and substance of Obama’s statements about the conflict between
Russia and Georgia. He also said McCain had been a fighter pilot. Actually, McCain’s plane was the A-4 Skyhawk, a small bomber. It was the only plane he trained in or flew in combat, according to McCain’s own memoir.

Lieberman and Thompson make misleading claims about Obama on Day Two of the party in
St. Paul.
FactCheck.org: GOP Convention Spin

My Favorite:
Huckabee told conventioneers and TV viewers that Palin got more votes when she ran for mayor of Wasilla than Biden did running for president. Not even close. The tally: Biden, 79,754, despite withdrawing from the race after the
Iowa caucuses. Palin, 909 in her 1999 race, 651 in 1996.


Obama's fibs (Note: nothing on Biden)
1, An Obama ad plays fast and loose with McCain's voting record on education and proposals as a presidential candidate.
FactCheck.org: School Funding Misleads

2, An Obama ad running in
Michigan claims McCain didn't support loan guarantees for the auto industry. In fact, he does support them.
FactCheck.org: Hit the Brakes

3, Convention speech - He stuck to the facts, except when he stretched them.
a, said he could “pay for every dime” of his spending and tax cut proposals “by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens.” That’s wrong
b, He twisted McCain’s words about
Afghanistan, saying, “When John McCain said we could just 'muddle through' in Afghanistan, I argued for more resources.”
c, McCain would fail to lower taxes for 100 million Americans while his own plan would cut taxes for 95 percent of “working” families. But an independent analysis puts the number who would see no benefit from McCain’s plan at 66 million and finds that Obama’s plan would benefit 81 percent of all households when retirees and those without children are figured in.
d, "define middle-class as someone making under five million dollars a year"? Actually, McCain meant that comment as a joke
e, Obama noted that McCain’s health care plan would "tax people’s benefits" but didn’t say that it also would provide up to a $5,000 tax credit for families.
f, He said McCain, far from being a maverick who’s "broken with his party," has voted to support Bush policies 90 percent of the time. True enough, but by the same measure Obama has voted with fellow Democrats in the Senate 97 percent of the time.
g, Obama said "average family income" went down $2,000 under Bush, which isn't correct. An aide said he was really talking only about "working" families and not retired couples. And – math teachers, please note – he meant median (or midpoint) and not really the mean or average. Median family income actually has inched up slightly under Bush.
FactCheck.org: FactChecking Obama

4, Key facts are missing in an Obama ad linking McCain to Ralph Reed. The ad says that Reed "is now raising money for McCain's campaign." But McCain has said, "I neither seek nor want his support." It also says McCain, as a committee chairman, "never even called Reed to testify" about Abramoff, which is true. But McCain's public report embarrassed Reed and damaged him politically nonetheless.
FactCheck.org: Reed Reality



Now for some debunking!The whole Rezko story.
FactCheck.org: Rezko Reality

Where Obama was born - the USA
FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

Tire pressure could save more than 1 billion gallons of fuel a year.
FactCheck.org: The Truth About Tire Pressure

Pentagon wouldn't allow Obama to bring cameras - troops
FactCheck.org: Snubbing Wounded Troops?

Obama hand over heart during the Pledge
Obama swore on aKoran
Obama is Muslim
Obama is racist
All debunked!
FactCheck.org: Sliming Obama

False Internet claims and rumors fly about McCain's running mate that were not from the Obama campaign.
a, Palin did not cut funding for special needs education in Alaska by 62 percent.

b, She did not demand that books be banned from the Wasilla library.

c, She was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party

d, Palin never endorsed or supported Pat Buchanan for president.

e, Palin has not pushed for teaching creationism in Alaska's schools.
FactCheck.org: Sliming Palin







Yes this is a long post but it put a lot of information in one spot. Hopefully this will keep some posters here from not looking so bright









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Old 09-12-2008, 06:32 PM
 
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Business-as-usual for the Republicans, Brian. Remarkable, isn't it?
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Old 09-12-2008, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Wantagh NY
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Business-as-usual for the Republicans, Brian. Remarkable, isn't it?

To be perfectly honest with you, I never knew the GOP was that bad. I have not been "into" politics that long however. Has this always been the case?
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Old 09-12-2008, 06:39 PM
 
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It's been true since that realized it would work. Really bad since Rove ran the Bush campaign.
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Old 09-12-2008, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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Even today, McCain is lying. He stated that Palin never requested an eramark while Governor, but she did, approx $200 million worth according to herself.
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Old 09-12-2008, 06:52 PM
 
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Wow. I feel like I need a shower after reading all that. We are all being so crazily mislead. It's a shame that we all have to search through so much BS in our quest for a kernel of truth.

Thanks for the post anyway.
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Old 09-12-2008, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Turn Left at Greenland
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I applaud your intestinal fortitude to be able to cut and paste all that ... me, I just like to make lame jokes at the expense of the candidates ...
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Old 09-12-2008, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Came-by-Chance
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WOW dude you've been busy, good work= +1
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Old 09-12-2008, 07:31 PM
 
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Re: #4 - FactCheck (and the rest of the MSM) have been played on this one - It was disengenuous of Obama then (debate with Keyes in 2004), and now (rebutting McCain's ad), to justify the legislation by giving the example of his daughters needing to learn about inappropriate touching. The Illinois School Code already had a section for teaching kindergarten and elementary students about the dangers of abuse, inappropriate touching, predators, etc. - Sec. 27.13-2. The bill Obama supported was not for the purpose of teaching young children about abuse, inappropriate touching, and the dangers of predators because that law already existed.

What was new in the bill is the mandate for STD education in grades K, 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 to be added to the already existing mandate for STD education in grades 6-12. Other topics that were originally intended for students in grades 6-12 are pushed down to K-12, as well.

What the bill did was take the sex education section of the Illinois School Code that was originally legislated for students in grades 6-12 and pushed it down to grades K-12.

If the bill was intended to keep sex education age-appropriate, as also claimed, it should have been applied to section 27-13.2, which addresses the sexual and safety issues younger students face.

Furthermore the bill Obama supported removed schools' obligation to give not less than 5 days written notice to the parents or guardians of pupils before commencing sex education classes or courses so that they may opt their students out if they so choose.

It is true, however, that the bill failed to pass.

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Old 09-12-2008, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Wantagh NY
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
Re: #4 - FactCheck (and the rest of the MSM) have been played on this one - It was disengenuous of Obama then (debate with Keyes in 2004), and now (rebutting McCain's ad), to jusify the legislation by giving the example of his daughters needing to learn about inappropriate touching. The Illinois School Code already had a section for teaching kindergarten and elementary students about the dangers of abuse, inappropriate touching, predators, etc. - Sec. 27.13-2. The bill Obama supported was not for the purpose of teaching young children about abuse, inappropriate touching, and the dangers of predators because that law already existed.

What was new in the bill is the mandate for STD education in grades K, 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 to be added to the already existing mandate for STD education in grades 6-12. Other topics that were originally intended for students in grades 6-12 are pushed down to K-12, as well.

What the bill did was take the sex education section of the Illinois School Code that was originally legislated for students in grades 6-12 and pushed it down to grades K-12.

If the bill was intended to keep sex education age-appropriate, as also claimed, it should have been applied to section 27-13.2, which addresses the sexual and safety issues younger students face.

Furthermore the bill Obama supported removed schools' obligation to give not less than 5 days written notice to the parents or guardians of pupils before commencing sex education classes or courses so that they may opt their students out if they so choose.

It is true, however, that the bill failed to pass.
[SIZE=3]According to Factcheck.org, the bill mandated the instructions be "age-appropriate" for kindergarteners when addressing topics such as sexually transmitted diseases. The bill also would have granted parents the opportunity to remove their children from the class without question:

[/SIZE][SIZE=3][SIZE=3]""Obama is often quoted as saying that when it comes to sex education in public schools, “it’s the right thing to do ... to provide age-appropriate sex education, science-based sex education in schools,” placing an emphasis on the word "appropriate." But Obama has also said he does not support, "explicit sex education to children in kindergarten."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]In a debate (http://www.keyesarchives.com/play.php?video=7 - broken link) with Republican Alan Keyes, against whom Obama was running for an open seat in the U.S. Senate in 2004, Obama made it clear that at least one reason he supported the bill was that it would help teach young kids to recognize inappropriate behavior and pedophiles:""

I must say that I don't really have a problem with what he did here.
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