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Old 09-15-2008, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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lol- she has issues with Harry Potter. To Kill a Mockingbird is a classic, I wonder why she wanted that banned, is she also racist???....
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Old 09-15-2008, 04:36 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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I have a little, niggling feeling that you think Palin is worse than the charmer in Iran. Iran cuts the heads off of homosexuals. You know that don't you?

Gov Palin's "churches" do pray for homosexuals that want to change.

Evil, I guess, is in the eye of the beholder.
I think Palin is just as bad as the "charmer" in Iran. Anyone who thinks that being Homosexual is in some way wrong has a problem. No other animal on this planet has a problem with homosexuality only Humans. We use this "God's will that every one should be straight" as the basis to say homosexuality is wrong. The bible is man made and written by man. Man has made the rules and depending on where you live and which religion you follow, decides your world view. Homosexuality is as normal as Heterosexuality and nothing to be afraid of. There are more important issues in this life than whether some one is gay or not. It's biological and not something that is catching. Get used to it..Homosexuality is here to stay.
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Old 09-15-2008, 04:42 PM
 
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Reality:

Wanting to ban a book that isn't even out yet is impossible.

There fore the blog list is absolutely false and should be thrown out on credibility charges.



Are we going to ignore huge facts smacking you in the face saying your logic is flawed?
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Old 09-15-2008, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Georgia native in McKinney, TX
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That you would deny other people's children the same free access to that information is the ludicrous part. But have fun with your activism. It might've gotten you somewhere in the 1950's.
Because I requested a book that contained graphic descriptive sex scenes from the regular stacks at my library moved to a section where adults would have to ask for it? If that is moving us back to the 1950s, then lets start winding the clocks backwards.

If libraries hold this all encompassing power at the taxpayer expense, then some of us need to get more involved. Call me names, but the ALA does need to hold to some sort of standard. When do the pedophiles get their right to have kiddie porn made available to them? Is there no line for you? If you red states want your kids all versed on all kinds of sex, take them to your local adult store. Mine will be sheltered as long as possible, we are flooding our kids with way too much adult info way too early. Someone has to say enough is enough.

It is this kind of far left anything sexual goes attitude that has inflamed the muslim extremists that we are an evil nation. When I read some of your comments, especially when you advocate complete freedom for preeteens to be versed in descriptive sexual knowledge, it scares me. Thank goodness the reality is the vast majority of people of all different stripes in red states and blue don't hold to your warped ideas. Please, if you are childless, remain that way.
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Old 09-15-2008, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Florida (SW)
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I agree....neither "Daddy's Boyfriend" nor "Daddy's Girlfriend" is appropriate for an elementary school library. Was this elementary, middle, or high school?
If you stop and think about it this line of arguement is ridiculous. The religious right doesnt want us to get married....so the room mate thing is only because of the lack of marriage equality; there isnt a suggestion that Daddy's girl friend is the equivelent to a committed relationship between two men.

There are plenty, in fact almost every book, that presents the straight equivelent. Mommies and Daddies Abound in the library; if a child has a parent in a gay relationship they need to know that they arent alone and there is nothing shameful about Daddy or them. Libraries are intended to be a place where information and truth is available.

Banning books has never elevated the discourse or raised the level of civilization.

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Old 09-15-2008, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Florida (SW)
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I was at my library today and they are running a contest in which children are selecting books from a selected list of books that have been banned and making a poster about them; the posters will be displayed in the library and a prize given.

I expect that Mark Twain's books will be on the list and probably the Harry Potter books...I am interested in which other books will be on the list.
I think it is great, because it gets kids to read and teaches how stupid it is to Ban Books.
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Old 09-15-2008, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Because I requested a book that contained graphic descriptive sex scenes from the regular stacks at my library moved to a section where adults would have to ask for it? If that is moving us back to the 1950s, then lets start winding the clocks backwards.
Let's not. Some of us like a free society.

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Old 09-15-2008, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Idaho Falls
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No you don't. All you "know" is what you've heard on the left-wing blogs. You have no idea how she feels about a particular book since she's never made mention of it. It's just easier and convenient for you to believe an anecdotal story that has no basis in fact. The FACT is, she has never asked to ban any books, and no amount of assuming how she feels will change that.
This is absolutely hilarious coming from someone who makes claims all the time about Obama. Haven't you said he's still using drugs? Haven't you expressed doubts that he is a Christian? Haven't you made all kinds of claims about what Obama really wants to do if elected?

Why else would Palin ask multiple times about the "process for banning books," at the time that her church was trying to get books banned?

People with brains can see what was happening. You can't.
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Old 09-15-2008, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Idaho Falls
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Evil, I guess, is in the eye of the beholder.
It's also in the actions of certain people. The fact that Palin asked the question at the same time that her church was working to ban books is evidence enough for rational people.

You all were attributing the Rev. Wright's opinions to Obama. Why should we do otherwise?
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Old 09-15-2008, 06:16 PM
 
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Because I requested a book that contained graphic descriptive sex scenes from the regular stacks at my library moved to a section where adults would have to ask for it? If that is moving us back to the 1950s, then lets start winding the clocks backwards.
Closed shelves are a thing of the past in most libraries I've visited. And if we turn the clock back, black people don't get to vote. That's just one example.

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If libraries hold this all encompassing power at the taxpayer expense, then some of us need to get more involved. Call me names, but the ALA does need to hold to some sort of standard.
The ALA isn't some unorganized group of twelve-year-olds. The website shows as much.

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When do the pedophiles get their right to have kiddie porn made available to them? Is there no line for you?
Slippery slope argument, huh? I read a very good argument against it on this very forum once. If you can't think of a reason why x is bad other than it opens the door to y, you don't have an argument. You need to think of a reason why x is bad independent from y. No one here is talking about kiddie porn--you brought that up.

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If you red states want your kids all versed on all kinds of sex, take them to your local adult store. Mine will be sheltered as long as possible, we are flooding our kids with way too much adult info way too early. Someone has to say enough is enough.
Children's books that discuss same-sex parents are not sexually-explicit. This might come as a shock to you, but gay people don't just have non-stop sex and tell their kids about it. They're just like everyone else. We weren't talking about porn. We were talking about a book that explains that some people have two parents of the same sex. There's nothing sexual about that.

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It is this kind of far left anything sexual goes attitude that has inflamed the muslim extremists that we are an evil nation.
Lunacy of that aside, let's just be afraid of extremists! Yes, let's live in fear rather than living our lives!

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When I read some of your comments, especially when you advocate complete freedom for preeteens to be versed in descriptive sexual knowledge, it scares me. Thank goodness the reality is the vast majority of people of all different stripes in red states and blue don't hold to your warped ideas. Please, if you are childless, remain that way.
Are you talking to me? Where have I made the comments you're referencing? I don't recall ever commenting on that on this board. Whatever the case, yes, I and very many other people believe that pre-teens are at the appropriate age to learn what sex is. That's about when many of them think about having sex, and they need the facts to aid them in making responsible decisions. However, if parents want to forbid their children from checking out books about sex and relationships, that's their call, their children. My parents bought me books written for YA audiences (young adult in public libraries--middle and high school aged) when I was a preteen and made me promise that if there was something that confused me, I would talk to them about it. That might not work with all preteens, but it did with me, and I had many talks with my mom about what was right and wrong for me as opposed to what other people were saying and doing. As for the part about the vast majority not sharing my "warped ideas," I hate to break it to you, but I've found that the vast majority of people in Louisiana, even, believe in allowing access to information whether they agree with it or not. That's the line of thinking that prevents people from taking the Bible, books about homosexuality, or what-have-you out of public libraries. And your bit about hoping that I don't have children is...childish for you to say and not worth me commenting on it more than I already have.
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