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Old 09-15-2008, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Seward, Alaska
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Actually it is Palin who is behind troopergate.

It appears she abused her power in firing a commissioner who refused to fire the trooper ex-brother in law. Sorry, her own actions caused this so stop trying to blame the democrats.

No such "abuse of power" has been determined. (except in Democrats minds)


Bud
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Old 09-15-2008, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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No such "abuse of power" has been determined. (except in Democrats minds)


Bud
You are right, nothing has been determined. But is that not the point of the current investigation many right wingers on this board are complaining about?

And would it not be better to have a conclusion to the matter before election day. And because of this Palin should not be hindering the investigation as she currently is by not cooperating.
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Old 09-15-2008, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Do you have an actual link to the police report on the trooper's alleged misbehaviors? I know when he recently went on television, he utterly denied the drinking allegations, though he confessed to other wrongs. As I understand it, these incidents happened before Palin became governor, and the trooper was questioned and reprimanded by his superiors befor Palin became governor. If she thought the punishment was insufficient, why not go through the appropriate channels and document your efforts? Mr Palin certainly shouldn't have been calling regarding this matter because it does give rise to the question of a governor and her family abusing her power.
They showed the actual record on CNN and he was, indeed, disciplined for drinking on duty, in his patrol car.

Look, that's just inexcusable for public servants to behave that way. When I was teaching, students complained to the administration that the French teacher had liquor on his breath after lunch. He admitted to having a glass of wine with his lunch once. He clearly wasn't drunk nor did he do this regularly. The administration just gave him a warning, at first.

But the kids told their parents all about it and they descended on the principal, demanding that the teacher be fired. They promised they'd take it to the media and have the principal's head, too. The principal ended up firing the teacher. And at the end of the year, the principal was gone, too.

A glass of wine with lunch isn't nearly as bad as a trooper drinking in his patrol car but anyone who serves the public IS accountable. So are their bosses in how they handle situations.
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Old 09-15-2008, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Seward, Alaska
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She is Governor and can fire about whoever she wants to fire. Like it or not, that is the truth. If it is the Governors right to do so, there is no charge of abuse of power by default. You can argue the "morals" of the situation, but it is an emotional argument only.


That is correct. If the governor felt the commissioner was not doing an acceptable job, then it was up to her to either reprimand, or dismiss, the commissioner. It up to the governor to determine what defines an "acceptable" job. IE: if she wants to can someone...then they are history.

Dems won't like that answer, but hey...I didn't write the rules. Guess what happens when a new governor takes office? You got it: as often as not, turn in your resignations. (nice way of saying: you're fired!)

When Palin removed Monegan as commissioner, she also offered him a different job. He refused...


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Old 09-15-2008, 02:09 PM
 
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They showed the actual record on CNN and he was, indeed, disciplined for drinking on duty, in his patrol car.

Look, that's just inexcusable for public servants to behave that way. When I was teaching, students complained to the administration that the French teacher had liquor on his breath after lunch. He admitted to having a glass of wine with his lunch once. He clearly wasn't drunk nor did he do this regularly. The administration just gave him a warning, at first.

But the kids told their parents all about it and they descended on the principal, demanding that the teacher be fired. They promised they'd take it to the media and have the principal's head, too. The principal ended up firing the teacher. And at the end of the year, the principal was gone, too.

A glass of wine with lunch isn't nearly as bad as a trooper drinking in his patrol car but anyone who serves the public IS accountable. So are their bosses in how they handle situations.
But Palin wasn't the boss when this situation arose and was resolved. Palin re-raised the issue, but she didn't do it in a way that avoided the suggestion that she had a personal axe to grind. The trooper behaved badly, he certainly cast a poor light on his professionalism. Unfortunately, it's not the trooper's professionalism that's in question here, it's Palin. Not only should she not use her political power to deal with personal problems, but she also needs to avoid the appearance of doing so. The investigation is to determine if she misused her power, and we'll know shortly about their conclusion. The media attention, though, is because she gave them plenty of ammunition that supports the appearance of abusing her political power. She may embrace a more casual style of operating her office, but where was her good judgment when she decided to pursue further punishment for this trooper, and pursue it in a casual manner rather than strictly documenting her efforts to avoid the impression of impropriety?
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Old 09-15-2008, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Texas
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But Palin wasn't the boss when this situation arose and was resolved. Palin re-raised the issue, but she didn't do it in a way that avoided the suggestion that she had a personal axe to grind. The trooper behaved badly, he certainly cast a poor light on his professionalism. Unfortunately, it's not the trooper's professionalism that's in question here, it's Palin. Not only should she not use her political power to deal with personal problems, but she also needs to avoid the appearance of doing so. The investigation is to determine if she misused her power, and we'll know shortly about their conclusion. The media attention, though, is because she gave them plenty of ammunition that supports the appearance of abusing her political power. She may embrace a more casual style of operating her office, but where was her good judgment when she decided to pursue further punishment for this trooper, and pursue it in a casual manner rather than strictly documenting her efforts to avoid the impression of impropriety?
We don't know for fact what she did and didn't do. As someone else posted here, she fired to commissioner a year and a half after that situation occurred. It wasn't a knee-jerk reaction to "personal issues."

The McCain campaign studied this issue and decided it wouldn't be a problem for Palin. I've seen others in Alaska interviewed who said the same. We all just have to wait and see what happens.

What REALLY stinks is Obama sending lawyers to get involved in another state's business. Why isn't THAT being investigated?
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Old 09-15-2008, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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If nothing else comes out of this, I really hope we find out why her husband was copied on government emails.
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Old 09-15-2008, 02:31 PM
 
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Check out twitter,
go to google, type in twitter search
when the screen pops up
type in troopergate
very interesting reads on the democrats behind this smear on palin
they promised a "surprise in oct" while standing in front of obama sign????
But it might bite them on the butt and take mr obama out for good if they are going this
several good reads as well as other "real time" chatter on this
I think that Sarah Palin is behind Troopergate. Don't try to tranfer accountability to other people; what kind of wimp is she anyways? She fires people and then she's the victim? Is this some sort of joke?
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Old 09-15-2008, 02:33 PM
 
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We don't know for fact what she did and didn't do. As someone else posted here, she fired to commissioner a year and a half after that situation occurred. It wasn't a knee-jerk reaction to "personal issues."

The McCain campaign studied this issue and decided it wouldn't be a problem for Palin. I've seen others in Alaska interviewed who said the same. We all just have to wait and see what happens.

What REALLY stinks is Obama sending lawyers to get involved in another state's business. Why isn't THAT being investigated?
We don't know the facts, which is what the investigation is about, finding out the facts. We do know that given the fact that the trooper in question was an ex-brother-in-law, she should have taken steps to avoid any suggestion of impropriety. She evidently didn't think that was important, and I can't help but wonder why.
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Old 09-15-2008, 02:34 PM
 
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No such "abuse of power" has been determined. (except in Democrats minds)


Bud
No such drinking has been determined.
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