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Originally Posted by shipm8 I believe that's about to change.... Yeah, I heard that in 2004 too.
And in 2000. I was one of the uninformed college students who thought Bush was a bumbling idiot, and it was a toss-up between two bad candidates. Of everyone I knew in the liberal/Democrat groups that paraded around college, leading the charge to vote for Gore, I was one of the few who actually showed up to the polls to cast the vote for him. The few of us razed hell to our "friends" for letting us down.. and how quickly the didn't care once it was over.
Then I grew up.
I started thinking rationally instead of emotionally. I understood that we were fools to take either candidate at face value, and now know that the majority of "supporters" I was around back then were just around to jump on a bandwagon like their parents did in the 60's.
Both parties are to blame for the problems we're facing now. That's why, at this moment, I'm more likely to vote for someone who's not afraid to do something their party won't like at all.
I believe Obama and McCain are *good* people with honest intentions - both are far better choices than Bush, Kerry, Gore, Clinton, Dole, etc. I also believe that once the next President is the most powerful person in the party, Obama cares too much what the corrupt in his party may think of him, and McCain won't hesitate to napalm some bridges in the Republican party if he has to do what's right.
This is a primary reason that lifelong Democrat who has never voted Republican, a major Hillary fundraiser, Lynn Forester de Rothschild, is also now backing McCain. She believes in checks and balances to keep our country from becoming extreme in either direction, but with Pelosi and Reid controlling the House and Senate, and Obama as President, the country will shift too far to the left without someone more headstrong (Hillary) to veto liberal laws that shouldn't be passed. The fact that McCain has been blasted for being "too liberal" for years by the Republican party should make many moderates, centrists, and independents ecstatic that he's got the ticket with a Democrat-controlled Congress. The liberal agenda will be brought forth with selective moderation, which is a fair balance. Rothschild's words, and they make a lot of sense - she takes this very seriously.
I think it's funny that when Obama's behind in the polls, you Dems say the polls don't matter and aren't accurate. And when he's ahead you get giddy.
I have said before and will continue to say that there is a large population who are never polled but will make sure they vote on election day, come hell or high water. People like my parents. And they will vote McCain-Palin.
Umm... I think you're confusing your parties here. Personally, I contend that there are factors that the polls don't take into account i.e. cellphones, the youth, demographic shifts and the 7-9 Million potential Latino voters who can be registered. Also Mathematically the polls don't account for the years of Democrat's record registrations. The polls make it look close, and that's probably what they're intended to do. I think it'll be a landslide. Senator Obama has pumped a huge adrenaline shot into Dean's 50 State Strategy and most of the GOP strongholds weren't even manned.
The Republican's panic often or post panic threads to incite panic...Senator Obama's supporters have that Believe slogan. What's stronger? Panic or Belief in the face of panic?...time will tell.
And in 2000. I was one of the uninformed college students who thought Bush was a bumbling idiot, and it was a toss-up between two bad candidates. Of everyone I knew in the liberal/Democrat groups that paraded around college, leading the charge to vote for Gore, I was one of the few who actually showed up to the polls to cast the vote for him. The few of us razed hell to our "friends" for letting us down.. and how quickly the didn't care once it was over.
Then I grew up.
I started thinking rationally instead of emotionally. I understood that we were fools to take either candidate at face value, and now know that the majority of "supporters" I was around back then were just around to jump on a bandwagon like their parents did in the 60's.
Both parties are to blame for the problems we're facing now. That's why, at this moment, I'm more likely to vote for someone who's not afraid to do something their party won't like at all.
I believe Obama and McCain are *good* people with honest intentions - both are far better choices than Bush, Kerry, Gore, Clinton, Dole, etc. I also believe that once the next President is the most powerful person in the party, Obama cares too much what the corrupt in his party may think of him, and McCain won't hesitate to napalm some bridges in the Republican party if he has to do what's right.
This is a primary reason that lifelong Democrat who has never voted Republican, a major Hillary fundraiser, Lynn Forester de Rothschild, is also now backing McCain. She believes in checks and balances to keep our country from becoming extreme in either direction, but with Pelosi and Reid controlling the House and Senate, and Obama as President, the country will shift too far to the left without someone more headstrong (Hillary) to veto liberal laws that shouldn't be passed. The fact that McCain has been blasted for being "too liberal" for years by the Republican party should make many moderates, centrists, and independents ecstatic that he's got the ticket with a Democrat-controlled Congress. The liberal agenda will be brought forth with selective moderation, which is a fair balance. Rothschild's words, and they make a lot of sense - she takes this very seriously.
We are both looking at this thing the same way. I am so sick and tired of poiticians and there bull. And from what I hear from McCain/Palin is there not looking for any friends. Just want to do what they feel is right for America.
The liberal agenda will be brought forth with selective moderation, which is a fair balance. Rothschild's words, and they make a lot of sense - she takes this very seriously.
It would make sense until one steps back and realizes the depth of Senator McCain's culpability in the current mess, judgment on his successor, and wholesale support of the liberal Republican agenda in place right now. Liberal spenders, socialist bailouts, who's he kidding? He is what he wants us to vote against and that's perfectly fine, he should just admit it.
The real poll and the only one that matters comes on election day where 30% of the people that said they would vote for Obama won't because they are scared.
Sorry - I don't listen to the pre-election polls. Especially when it concerns Obama. What scares me the most is that practically everyone knows that Obama is the right choice (for numerous reasons, not just political) yet I would bet that there are people who "say" they are going to vote for Obama, but when it comes right down to it, they won't. Why? Because he's a black man.
Obviously since I actively campaign for Obama, I would like to see him in the White House as President. However, I think it's going to come down to color more than issues. Sad - but true. I understand it's a politically incorrect thing to discuss, but without letting people voice their fears, how can we help them overcome them and realize that just because Obama is black, he is not going to make us pay reparations? Hell, us whities will be the minority soon. It's amazing how many people just cannot get past the color of his skin. It's so 1950.
We don't agree very often Sanrene, but on this one, I am behind you 110%!
I want her on every channel being asked both easy and hard questions from regular voters. The more we here, the less she is actually saying. The more her stupidity shows through. Yesterday she was asked to state her foreign experience so that she could finally put the issue to rest....what did she do? Yup, she did the dance with lines like "I will be ready"!
And while I certainly don't agree with people getting into her e-mail...the fact she use a Yahoo! e-mail account for official business is just plain...stupid!
So yes, the more she gets out there, the better!
I don't think she's stupid. I think she's a beautiful woman, with her hands full (too full unfortunately) who just doesn't have the education nor the experience to pull this off. People think Obama is inexperienced? I wish they knew him years ago. He's been a grass-roots, motivating Senate member who's worked with both parties on more occasions than McCain.
Not just to get things done, but to also get his feet wet. He jumped in on so many issues to learn from them. Even Darfur! He was one of the few politicians to first get involved.
Palin is a very good looking woman who is a well practiced speaker in front of crowds and on cue, who will probably get votes just because she's so pretty. You'd have to be blind and dumb not to see that.(It's her VOICE that drives me batty! Like nails on a chalkboard) She's got a lot going on in her life right now, and she's not managed her family nor her state very well. People make mistakes, but I doubt she ever thought when using her position of power to make certain decisions, she'd be asked to run for VP. And quite frankly, having a husband who works full time, teenage angst problems (a pregnant daughter and a son forced to choose either jail or the military) and a baby with severe disabilities is going to make it next to impossible for her to work effectively.
But I respect the fact that she went from PTO mom to politics. Trust me, as a PTO president for a decade, school board member, and HOA president (to name a few) - these committees are great experiences to "get into" politics!
But she is not seasoned enough to carry-on should (g-d forbid) John die suddenly. Not to mention all the "stuff" in her life going wrong already.
Where I see the biggest difference between Obama and McCain is WHO THEY HAVE RUNNING THEIR CAMPAIGNS and rumors of who will take what position if they are voted into office. McCain has WAY too many lobbyists involved. THAT is a huge problem and we all know it. Want to see our country become more socialist? Vote McCain. Want to see America become a two class system? (Think Lords and surfs in England) vote McCain.
I personally would like to see a more balanced America. I would rather pay more in taxes (and I am personally already in at least the 40% bracket) to find some peace knowing that others are working hard and not being taken advantage of. That CEO's whose companies fail aren't making millions (most times 20-30 million) BEFORE the little guy gets paid. And as most oftentimes happens - the little guy gets screwed, but the CEO's make millions! That things are being played fairly. That working hard doesn't have to mean, "Who you know." Don't believe me?? Go here Taylor Burgstahler. Read through that site, you will see I've been saying this stuff for years - WAY before Obama.
America is in crisis mode. Economically, racially, demographically, (rural vs city) classicism - and people in general - are just NOT HAPPY. I'd rather give up some extra cash, see someone else make a decent day's wages, have a home to go to, and know - just know people, are happier and safer and that I had something to do with it because I didn't care only about the almighty dollar.
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It would make sense until one steps back and realizes the depth of Senator McCain's culpability in the current mess,
McCain was calling for tighter regulations two years ago, no one listened, because of the lobbyists.
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McCain has WAY too many lobbyists involved. THAT is a huge problem and we all know it
So does Obama - they're just called something different.
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I think it's funny that when Obama's behind in the polls, you Dems say the polls don't matter and aren't accurate. And when he's ahead you get giddy.
