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Old 09-22-2008, 11:23 AM
 
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Who the H rooted against American soldiers??? You are out right lying! This is the most anti-American post I have seen.
The liberals were hoping and praying for failure in Iraq. They were against the war from the start. So if we win and they become democratic and become the beacon of freedom and hope for the middle east then they, the democrats, were wrong.

And to be wrong is impossible for the democrats. So they voted on early withdraw knowing it would cause defeat.

But defeat means more dead Americans.

They knew this but they couldn't afford to be wrong on the Iraq war.
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Old 09-22-2008, 11:23 AM
 
Location: The Land of Lincoln
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We defeated Al-Qaeda in IRAQ.. Pakistan is next.

If we pulled out early like the tuck your tail and run liberals wanted us to do then we wouldn't have defeated Al-qaeda anywhere.

You think if we run, they won't come to America?

Be careful when you address Pakistan, Obama has many good friends there.
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Old 09-22-2008, 11:24 AM
 
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So you are saying that I wanted my son to die?

If you were hoping that Americans would be defeated in Iraq.. then indirectly.. yes.

But I'm talking more about the politicians.
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Old 09-22-2008, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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That's right.

The democrat strategy of investing in the defeat of the US in Iraq has failed miserably and they will and should pay for it dearly.

If we would have listened to Obama and the democrats, leaving in victory would not be an option.

Riight.....your party has definitely "supported" the troops.....

Gotta love how you like talking about the Surge, but the War? That's a convenient footnote.
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Old 09-22-2008, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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The liberals were hoping and praying for failure in Iraq. They were against the war from the start. So if we win and they become democratic and become the beacon of freedom and hope for the middle east then they, the democrats, were wrong.

And to be wrong is impossible for the democrats. So they voted on early withdraw knowing it would cause defeat.

But defeat means more dead Americans.

They knew this but they couldn't afford to be wrong on the Iraq war.
The Republicans are the Liberals. Where have you been?

The five P's....that's where we are.
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Old 09-22-2008, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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It sure wasn't Bush.

Yeah, he made mistakes.

But it was McCain who led the fight on getting our troops better supplies.
No, it wasn't.

Obama Voted For And McCain Voted Against $360 Million for Armored Vehicles for Troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. In 2005, Obama voted for and McCain voted against providing $360.8 million for armored tactical wheeled vehicles for units deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan and $5 million to establish ballistics engineering research centers at two major research institutions. The measure against which McCain voted also required such centers to advance knowledge and application of ballistics materials and procedures to improve the safety of land-based military vehicles. [HR 2863, Vote 248, 10/5/05, Passed 56-43: R 13-42 D 42-1 I 1-0]

Obama Voted TWICE Against And McCain Voted TWICE For And Keeping Capital Gains Tax Cuts, Rather Than Using the Savings to Replace or Repair Equipment for Troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. In 2005, Obama voted for and McCain voted against repealing the extension of capital gains tax cuts and use the savings to repair, rehabilitate or replace the equipment used by the Army and Marine Corps in Afghanistan & Iraq. A week later, prior to the issuance of a conference report regarding that measure, Obama voted for and McCain voted against a measure to “insist that conference report include funding to strengthen America’s military, as contained in Senate-passed amendment, instead of any extension of tax cuts for capital gains and dividends (which do not expire until 2009), as contained in House-passed bill.” [HR 4297, Vote 8, 2/2/06, Passed 44-53: R 1-52 D 42-1 I 1-0; HR 4297, Vote 18, 2/14/06, Failed 45-55: R 1-54 D 43-1 I 1-0]

McCain Voted Against Providing An Additional $322 Million for Troops’ Safety Equipment, Including Body Armor. In 2003, McCain voted against an amendment to provide an additional $322 million for battlefield clearance and safety equipment for U.S. troops in Iraq. As National Journal noted, the amendment would have provided funding for “soldiers’ body armor, communications and other equipment.” The increased spending would have been offset by a reduction in Iraqi reconstruction funds. [S 1689, Vote 376, 10/2/03, Passed 49-37: R 46-0 D 2-37 I 1-0; National Journal’s CongressDaily, 10/3/03]

McCain Opposed $1 Billion For Equipment For National Guard. In 2003, McCain opposed providing $1 billion for equipment for the National Guard and Reserves. [S 762, Vote 116, 4/2/03, Passed 52-47: R 51-0 D 1-46 I 0-1]

· MCCAIN REPEATEDLY VOTED AGAINST INCREASES AND OBAMA VOTED FOR INCREASE FOR VETERANS HEALTH CARE BENEFITS

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Old 09-22-2008, 11:30 AM
 
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Riight.....your party has definitely "supported" the troops.....

Gotta love how you like talking about the Surge, but the War? That's a convenient footnote.
Al-qaeda defeated in Iraq.. military base in the middle east to keep Iran in check.. no attack here in 7 years.. I think the war and the surge have both been fairly successful.

The alternative.. we don't go into Iraq.. Saddam's sons who are more evil than hitler do get nukes.. or Iran doesn't stop enrichment.. or an attack again our own soil since they aren't being chased down elsewhere.
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Old 09-22-2008, 11:30 AM
 
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We defeated Al-Qaeda in IRAQ.. Pakistan is next.

If we pulled out early like the tuck your tail and run liberals wanted us to do then we wouldn't have defeated Al-qaeda anywhere.

You think if we run, they won't come to America?
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- there was no AQ in Iraq before we went in. Recall we were supposed to find WMDs & cheering Iraqis. Plus Iraqi oil was supposed to pay for the war. Did you bother to check actual costs there?
- Regarding Pakistan - this isn't Grenada and wars are very expensive.Do we have enough manpower to take on a nuclear power? Despite what media told us about the "mighty" Iraqi army, Pakistan will be in a different league
- "cut and run" as opposed to what - "stay and die"?
- If anything, Afghanistan/ Pak situation is getting worse. This is where W should have concentrated before before getting "diverted" into the un-needed Iraqi war. A lot of the funding there comes from Saudi and we do not seem to be pressuring them a lot.

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Old 09-22-2008, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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If you were hoping that Americans would be defeated in Iraq.. then indirectly.. yes.

But I'm talking more about the politicians.
That is an incredible presumption.
Americans should never have been in Iraq. Our service people did not sign up to serve a commander-in-chief who carelessly and thoughtlessly sends them to do his bidding based on lies and his own personal agenda.

You aren't going to weasel out of your sweeping comments that suggest that anyone who is a democrat/liberal/progressive in this country believes that our troops are expendable and that human life is 'collateral damage.'
That is the position of your party as has been clear since 'mission accomplished.'
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Old 09-22-2008, 11:34 AM
 
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A lot of kool-aid drinkers in this thread. I don't know if you know but we brought Al-Qaeda into Iraq and provided a training ground for terrorists.
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