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Old 10-19-2008, 12:11 AM
 
Location: Transition Island
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Yours and countless others that I do not feel like reading over again because they make me truly sick to my stomach...

I already know how you roll one thousand, you do not like black people...OK WE GOT IT!!!! and 123cop...we know you all very well...

there is no need to argue with you all because you all assume what you want about an entire race and I and others on this board can only defend our selves and the people we know...not the whole race...so by that I will not get into this with you or any other bigot on this site or any other because it boils my blood.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. It is not worth it to continue to post to only be attacked for the entire population of blacks. To continuously post here and make the efforts to have any intellectual dialogue regarding the race of black people is useless. Put your mental, emotional, and physical health first and stop responding to their false accusations, assumptions, and illogical statements. For me it has become a good comical read-something to just laugh at because of the extreme ignorance.
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Old 10-19-2008, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Orlando, FL
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Yes, and undoubtedly most good parent's do not sanction their kids listening to this garbage.
I don't agree with this. My parents didn't censor what I listened to and I don't plan on censoring what my son listens to. Music is music - just like any other form of entertainment.It's the parents responsibility to make sure there child understands the difference between make-believe and real life. If after your son listens to 50 cent, you see him walking around with his pants falling off his ass and wearing a bullet proof vest - it's time for you to intercede. At the end it all goes by to your parenting if you don't want John Jr walking around looking like a thug - don't buy him those clothes - he doesn't have a job - what is he going to do? Steal them? Then once again his choice of music is the least of your concerns.

We're not talking about 5 year olds here - in most cases these are preteens and teenagers - if your child is that easily influenced by music he/she is not going to stand a chance against peer pressure.


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Ummmmm, yes it does exists in many rural WHITE areas across this country. BUT, the thread was will Obama change BLACK America. HELLO!
HELLO if the problems you mentioned exist in many rural WHITE areas across the country then WHY are you only concerned with them as they affect BLACK America? There are no problems that only black people have; there are some that occur more in the black community but it is not a black problem. That goes the same for other races as well.

Men commit suicide more often then women - doesn't make it a male problem.
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Old 10-19-2008, 03:48 PM
 
Location: At my computador
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I don't agree with this. My parents didn't censor what I listened to and I don't plan on censoring what my son listens to. Music is music - just like any other form of entertainment.It's the parents responsibility to make sure there child understands the difference between make-believe and real life.
Children build a value-set from all available information. Thinking you can not "censor" what a child has access to but be able to guide how the information is interpreted is, IMO, terribly, terribly naive.

What a crying shame...
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Old 10-19-2008, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Orlando, FL
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Children build a value-set from all available information. Thinking you can not "censor" what a child has access to but be able to guide how the information is interpreted is, IMO, terribly, terribly naive.

What a crying shame...
You call it naive if you want to but I'm proof that being honest and upfront with your kids works. I was allowed to read, listen to and watch whatever I wanted as I was growing up. Because my mother was so open with me if I had a question about something, I asked her about it. As I got older, I decided for myself what I liked and didn't like.

What good will it do to try to prevent my son from listening to certain types of music, watching certain movies, playing certain video games, etc? The only way that will work is if I plan on home schooling him and keeping him locked up in the house. If I don't teach my child how to think for himself while he is in my household then I failed as a parent.

Once again we are not talking about grade school children, we're talking about preteens, teenagers - on the verge of becoming young adults. I think it's a crying shame when people send their sheltered kids out into the world without a personality or a mind of their own and just let them get lost in the sea of "what everybody else is doing"
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Old 10-19-2008, 06:26 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Obama's black?
Shhhhh....it is a SECRET and he THINKS he is! Don't ruin it for them....
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Old 10-19-2008, 06:44 PM
 
Location: The #1 sunshine state, Arizona.
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You call it naive if you want to but I'm proof that being honest and upfront with your kids works. I was allowed to read, listen to and watch whatever I wanted as I was growing up. Because my mother was so open with me if I had a question about something, I asked her about it. As I got older, I decided for myself what I liked and didn't like.

What good will it do to try to prevent my son from listening to certain types of music, watching certain movies, playing certain video games, etc? The only way that will work is if I plan on home schooling him and keeping him locked up in the house. If I don't teach my child how to think for himself while he is in my household then I failed as a parent.

Once again we are not talking about grade school children, we're talking about preteens, teenagers - on the verge of becoming young adults. I think it's a crying shame when people send their sheltered kids out into the world without a personality or a mind of their own and just let them get lost in the sea of "what everybody else is doing"
Well unless you want your preteen, teenager son looking at porn on your computer, you should install filters. They have parental locks and limits for TV as well. It's your job to protect your child.
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Old 10-19-2008, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Orlando, FL
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Well unless you want your preteen, teenager son looking at porn on your computer, you should install filters. They have parental locks and limits for TV as well. It's your job to protect your child.
Protect is one thing. Shield from the world is another. I have no problem with my son watching porn - my mom let me watch Sex and the City when I was growing up - didn't make me some kind of deranged pervert. I even used to look at my grandfather's Playboy magazines when I first started wearing a bra. Curiosity is a part of growing up - now if my son starts spending 23 hours a day looking at porn then I'll address it. I plan on talking to my kids about sex - it will do me no good to lock everything down and pretend sex doesn't exist unless I plan on going to every single one of my kids friends homes and saying "Hi, I'm trying to raise my child to be completely clueless. Do you have filters on everything in your house that might be inappropriate for his mind?"
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Old 10-19-2008, 07:14 PM
 
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Socialism will grow to the point of lazyness!
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Old 10-19-2008, 07:20 PM
 
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Protect is one thing. Shield from the world is another. I have no problem with my son watching porn - my mom let me watch Sex and the City when I was growing up - didn't make me some kind of deranged pervert. I even used to look at my grandfather's Playboy magazines when I first started wearing a bra. Curiosity is a part of growing up - now if my son starts spending 23 hours a day looking at porn then I'll address it. I plan on talking to my kids about sex - it will do me no good to lock everything down and pretend sex doesn't exist unless I plan on going to every single one of my kids friends homes and saying "Hi, I'm trying to raise my child to be completely clueless. Do you have filters on everything in your house that might be inappropriate for his mind?"
See the problem with the kind of parenting you're suggesting is that you will actually have to have a relationship with your kids...you actually have to talk to them and make sure they are mature enough to understand and handle the freedoms that you are giving them...all kid develop at different speeds...some 12 years olds are more socially aware then 16 year olds...but in order for you to know how much freedom your child can handle you have to have a relationship with them...parents today don't want to talk to their kids, answer questions, teach them things....they just want to believe if they keep their kids away from rap music, internet porn and violent video games then they've done their job as parents.
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Old 10-19-2008, 07:20 PM
 
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You call it naive if you want to but I'm proof that being honest and upfront with your kids works. I was allowed to read, listen to and watch whatever I wanted as I was growing up. Because my mother was so open with me if I had a question about something, I asked her about it. As I got older, I decided for myself what I liked and didn't like.
That's not proof that it works. That may be proof that it works in some cases, but there is no broader conclusion that can be made.

My guesstimate is that you're about 19/20. We'll not know whether or not your rearing worked for another fifteen years. If, by that time, you have no children out of wedlock, still have good credit, haven't had a car repossessed, haven't been divorced and are near the front of your age group in accomplishments, then there's a claim to be made that the style of rearing you've undergone worked.

My experience has been that people raised in a fashion I believe you're referring end up at the water cooler a lot gossiping about the people who are directing them. If that's what you consider to be successful rearing, then we know where the dispute lies.

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What good will it do to try to prevent my son from listening to certain types of music, watching certain movies, playing certain video games, etc?
It allows you to introduce new concepts that require appropriate levels of maturity on your schedule rather than the subtle introduction that slips between the lines in all forms of media.

I never suggested you don't expose your child to new ideas. What I am suggesting is that introducing your child to them in a controlled fashion is better.

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Once again we are not talking about grade school children, we're talking about preteens, teenagers - on the verge of becoming young adults. I think it's a crying shame when people send their sheltered kids out into the world without a personality or a mind of their own and just let them get lost in the sea of "what everybody else is doing"
Agreed.
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