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Old 09-23-2008, 10:17 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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I agree .. the child is 11. The parent was obviously looking for controversy and that's just vile.

At the very least, I'd have the kid turn the shirt inside out, I think a suspension is as bad as the t-shirt.
They asked the kid to turn it inside out, and he spouted an obviously fed to him line regarding his right to free speech.

He was suspended for disobedience, since he would not turn it inside out.
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Old 09-23-2008, 10:18 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Read a law book instead of cherry-picking the dictionary. Students do not have the same freedoms of speech in public schools that we have outside school. The courts have consistently upheld this, and the discretion is left up to administrators.
Read my posts before attacking me - I agree with what you just posted!
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Old 09-23-2008, 10:18 AM
 
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BHO is a public figure, the normal rules of liable and slander don't apply to public figures. Had the shirt referenced BHO's family, then the question of slander would come in to play. He could have worn an American flag shirt with a circle and slash across the flag, would the school have a problem with a shirt protesting the US via a dissing of the flag?
Ah, thanks for the info re public figures. Dissing the flag - hmmm.

"Flag Code: 'The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.'"

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html, re autographing flags

(^ actually an interesting page)
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Old 09-23-2008, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Turn Left at Greenland
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They asked the kid to turn it inside out, and he spouted an obviously fed to him line regarding his right to free speech.

He was suspended for disobedience, since he would not turn it inside out.
Well there you have it .. his parents should be so proud.
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Old 09-23-2008, 10:19 AM
 
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You're saying they don't exist or they aren't?
I am saying they used to be disruptive. The shirts. I doubt they are now but I also am no longer in HS. I just act that way
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Old 09-23-2008, 10:20 AM
 
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It's LIBEL, and it does apply to public figures under certain circumstances:
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Public Figures

Under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, as set forth by the U.S. Supreme Court in the 1964 Case, New York Times v Sullivan, where a public figure attempts to bring an action for defamation, the public figure must prove an additional element: That the statement was made with "actual malice". In translation, that means that the person making the statement knew the statement to be false, or issued the statement with reckless disregard as to its truth. For example, Ariel Sharon sued Time Magazine over allegations of his conduct relating to the massacres at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps. Although the jury concluded that the Time story included false allegations, they found that Time had not acted with "actual malice" and did not award any damages.
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Old 09-23-2008, 10:20 AM
 
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Or try this one, definition 1, seems appropriate during election season.
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Old 09-23-2008, 10:21 AM
 
Location: DC area
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I can see where that shirt in particular would be disruptive. It wasn't simply a Nobama shirt or anyting of the sort.

I highly doubt any of you would be against the school if that shirt said Bush/McCain/Palin 'A terrorist's best friend on it'.
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Old 09-23-2008, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania USA
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Yeah, I'm sure the kid came up with it by himself. Sounds like an idiot parent who said to himself "gee, the kids are supposed to show some patriotism at school- I think I'll send my kid to school with a political statement on his shirt. I realize that he probably has no clue what it means, but it'll be great!".
An 11 year old child certainly has a great deal of information at his/her access to be aware of politics and government. This boy was born in 1997 and the Internet was well into becoming mainstream. The children of today are "tech savvy" and "news savvy", IMO, it was Daxx's (Sounds like one of Sarah Palin's children!) idea to conceive and wear the shirt to school. He obviously had the blessing and support of his parents.
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Old 09-23-2008, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Eastern Shore
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I am saying they used to be disruptive. The shirts. I doubt they are now but I also am no longer in HS. I just act that way
So when people are sensitized to stupid logos and sayings the hate is no longer valid? Can't have it both ways, be careful young grasshopper of what you want to censor.
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