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Old 09-25-2008, 07:26 AM
 
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You mean the Republicans did not have 8 years to fix the problem Clinton created? McCain and Bush did not change that???
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Old 09-25-2008, 07:27 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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We couldn't do anything in those years, always too busy trying to bail the Clinton's out of their personal messes.

How come no one ever complains about the money we wasted on them in legal fees, hours, etc.?

Talk about blinders??


How come the Uptighty-Righties don't complain about the $$$ wasted sending the adulterer Gingrich on a witch-hunt for an adulterer?

Oh, sorry, I forgot, fiscal responsibility isn't in their playbook
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Old 09-25-2008, 07:31 AM
 
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No I don't, but in 1994 the Republicans became the majority party in both the House and the Senate. This continued through Clinton's administration and into W's.
Actually, Bill Clinton repealed a part of the Glass-Stegall Act which FDR put into effect as part of the New Deal which was legislation that separated commercial and investment banking.

Clinton not only repealed the act Roosevelt had put in place to curb those practices, but was persuaded to make this change by lobbyist from Citigroup.

This New York Times article from 2007 points out the risks that were being taken and specifically sites the deregulation -- that took place in 1999.
The title is "Goldman Runs Risks, Reaps Rewards"....

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/10/bu...ss&oref=slogin

It was interesting to see Clinton's body language when asked specifically about this in the interview.
It was a telling moment.
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Old 09-25-2008, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The Republican motto since Ronald Raygun taught them about Hollywood, has been to privatize gains, socialize debt and never tax what you can borrow. He also taught the Republicans that appearance is far more important than policy in winning elections. Even Bill Clinton realized that as he sold Republican policies while appearing to be a Democrat.

The Dems are likely to loose this election if they continue to stress policy over appearance. McCain is the HERO that will save us from the Evil World while Obama is just talking about how to solve real problems instead of appearing as superman.

"Sell the sizzle, not the meat."
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Old 09-25-2008, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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I'd really like to research that. Do you happen to know the name (and number) of the bill in question?
Bush in 2003 started calling for reforms.

McCain in 2005.

The dems have blocked it consistently.
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Old 09-25-2008, 07:39 AM
 
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Default sell the sizzle, not the meat

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The Dems are likely to loose this election if they continue to stress policy over appearance. McCain is the HERO that will save us from the Evil World while Obama is just talking about how to solve real problems instead of appearing as superman.

"Sell the sizzle, not the meat."
Sad.. the American public is so brainwashed by marketing that they don't look at the reality anymore.

I don't want to be sold. I want to look at facts.
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Old 09-25-2008, 07:39 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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You mean the Republicans did not have 8 years to fix the problem Clinton created? McCain and Bush did not change that???
They tried. The Democrats blocked it.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/5369482-post35.html

http://www.city-data.com/forum/5351746-post1.html

http://www.city-data.com/forum/5398627-post28.html

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Old 09-25-2008, 07:40 AM
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Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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Our current mess probably came from people getting loans that were not responsible enough to pay for them, but the governments mess started with the first time an unnecessary item was purchased on credit by our government. These members of congress remind me of my children when they were smaller and we went shopping. I would tell them that we cannot afford to buy something because I didn't have the money. My children would say, "You can write a check." Well one should not go around writing checks when there is no money in the bank. And you don't go charging for unnecessary things. And you don't give money to people you don't have. I would have been bankrupt years ago if I had lived like this.

Now what are all those nations we have helped for years doing to help us?
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Old 09-25-2008, 07:43 AM
 
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Our current mess probably came from people getting loans that were not responsible enough to pay for them, but the governments mess started with the first time an unnecessary item was purchased on credit by our government. These members of congress remind me of my children when they were smaller and we went shopping. I would tell them that we cannot afford to buy something because I didn't have the money. My children would say, "You can write a check." Well one should not go around writing checks when there is no money in the bank. And you don't go charging for unnecessary things. And you don't give money to people you don't have. I would have been bankrupt years ago if I had lived like this.
Yes. But, it couldn't have happened if certain laws had not been repealed.

The specific act that Clinton repealed was put into effect to protect citizens from the greed of bankers....
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Old 09-25-2008, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Yes. But, it couldn't have happened if certain laws had not been repealed.

The specific act that Clinton repealed was put into effect to protect citizens from banking greed.... keeping them from being involved in investments.
And it was also a way to allow more poor, low-income, and people with bad credit to get mortgages.
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