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View Poll Results: Who won the 1st Presidential Debate
McCain 124 32.04%
Obama 194 50.13%
It was a tie 69 17.83%
Voters: 387. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-27-2008, 03:14 PM
 
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I won't lie, I'm a recent college graduate. There were times in class that I did not know what the professor was explaning, or I didn't quite get it, and had to take time to learn it. This debate was just like that. Here's the professor, McCain, and here's a clueless student, Barack Obama, who has no idea what he's saying. I must say Obama did a great job, saying "McCain was right". Always acknowledge what the professor says, he is not wrong. So yes, this debate was "Professor teaches student". I hope Obama took plenty of notes, and took that bracelet home too.
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Old 09-27-2008, 03:19 PM
 
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That is interesting, I noticed this was much closer last night with a slight edge to Senator Obama. Whether folks slept on it or went with the pundits, is anyone's guess.
It is the classic mob minded mentality in action. Whether or not people thought McCain or Obama won, at the time I think the majority thought it was extremely close with votes going both ways.

Today, those who didn't speak their minds at the heat of the moment, looked at the polls and said, well Obama must have won, the polls say so. Matters not if he did or didn't. Those who didn't even bother to watch the debate will awaken today to say, Obama must have kicked butt, when in fact, he held his own but far from kicked butt.

This is an aspect of sociology that I find most fascinating, especially when it involves media, politics, and Joe Main Street.
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Old 09-27-2008, 03:45 PM
 
Location: GIlbert, AZ
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I won't lie, I'm a recent college graduate. There were times in class that I did not know what the professor was explaning, or I didn't quite get it, and had to take time to learn it. This debate was just like that. Here's the professor, McCain, and here's a clueless student, Barack Obama, who has no idea what he's saying. I must say Obama did a great job, saying "McCain was right". Always acknowledge what the professor says, he is not wrong. So yes, this debate was "Professor teaches student". I hope Obama took plenty of notes, and took that bracelet home too.
note to self, never agree with a republcan, youll regret it. To agree with them is a weekness I guess. This is the spin topic for the REPs.

2. don't look your opponent in the eye, even if your expected to looked Eveil doers in the eye. Dems are to be treated worse than the evil doers. He who tries to look there opponent in the eye is the first to lose.

3 cozy up to bush 90 percent of the time and agree with almost everything in an 8 year period, as long as a bush said it. After that folks will believe that you are the real change agent.

4. Make sure you continue to say Prisoner of war, prisoner of War, prisoner of war,prisoner of War,prisoner of War,prisoner of War,prisoner of War,prisoner of War, prisoner of war, prisoner of war, prisoner of war prisoner of War, prisoner of war, prisoner of war, prisoner of war, prisoner of War, prisoner of war, prisoner of war, prisoner of war, prisoner of War, prisoner of War, prisoner of war, prisoner of war, prisoner of war prisoner of war, prisoner of war, prisoner of war, prisoner of War, prisoner of war, prisoner of war, prisoner of war.

5. repeat step 4, and say my "my friends" this time

6 KEEP HER QUIET, PUT HER DOWN THERE IN THE HOLE WITH DICK CHENEY

7. Keep PUTTING planes on Ebay
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Old 09-27-2008, 04:43 PM
 
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I found this interesting from Newsmax that watched thru CNN:

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There is little question that John McCain “won” the first debate last night. Perhaps he lost on points (arguments) and style (how could he beat Mr. Smooth?), but McCain “won” over the audience, the only victory that counts.

1. Any question that McCain is too old to run for office has been put to rest. He was sharp, on point and looked good, good enough, that is.
2. If the debate was held before the elite faculties of Harvard and Columbia, schools Obama attended, he would have won hands down. But this debate was held before the American public.
3. Obama was too smooth, too smart. Remember the “W. Factor.” Bush lost all the debates with John Kerry on style and substance. But Bush came across as more likeable. Ditto McCain.

4. Obama has a subtle, condescending speaking style. His hand gestures of constant pointing fingers, frequently raising his fingers to eye level, jabbing constantly, make’s one feel he’s lecturing us. Yes, Kennedy jabbed, but occasionally.

5. After, the debate I heard on a radio call in person say they listened to the debate on radio. Obama sounded like a professor. Bingo. Americans don’t elect professors president.

6. The debate opened on the economy. McCain should have scored much bigger points. He didn’t. He claimed Obama wanted to raise taxes. He should have rattled off specifics of Obama’s tax plan, including: removing the FICA tax cap, doubling the capital gains tax, increasing dividend taxes, letting the Bush tax cuts expire giving everyone an automatic tax increase, raising gasoline taxes, etc.

7. Obama also made some serious tactical mistakes. Twice in the debate he repeated the allegations of others, first saying he was “liberal” and later saying he was “naive.” Repeating labels is a no no.

8. McCain came across as authentic. This elusive quality is difficult to manufacture, and a key reason Obama can’t compete on this score. McCain smartly pointed out how Obama became a born again earmark and pork fighter – after he started running for president.

9. Obama came across as slick trying to making himself sound more moderate than his record demonstrates. He says he doesn’t really want to spend $800 billion on new programs; he really isn’t the most liberal member of the Senate; he doesn’t really want to meet with dictators like Ahmadinejad; and so on.

10. McCain demonstrated he doesn’t simply talk a good talk, but has walked the walk. He has been a long time enemy of earmarks. And he has been a fighter who has crossed the partisan divide time and again. Obama simply has no such record.

11. McCain’s strength was foreign policy. It showed. Obama did seem “nave.” McCain won the “don’t meet with rogue leaders without preconditions” argument. Obama’s answers sounded like he was flip-flopping on his original statement.

12. On Iran, again one of the most contentious issues, McCain won because his comments grasped the gravity of the crisis.

13. Where McCain lost was on the Iraq war and the surge. Yes, McCain has been right on the surge and Obama has been wrong. But McCain came across as heavily invested in the idea of the war (creating a democracy in Iraq) and unwilling to flexibly respond to reality. Make no mistake about it: this is an unpopular war that is costing us a trillion dollars so far. On CNN I watched the audience meter as McCain talked about the war and its “success.” The meter showed Independent voters clearly tracking in “negative” territory, clearly in line with Democrats.

In sum, McCain had the most to lose from this debate. Obama is known as the great public speaker.

McCain did more than hold his own.

And most importantly he demonstrated several things that will resonate with voters.

First, he is ready on day one to be ready Commander in Chief.

Second, he can be trusted. His word is good.

Third, he is one of us.


2008 Newsmax. Christopher Ruddy
If I could only be so eloquent.....Go MAC Sorry Barry
The only thing he left out was the bracelet story...I know why McCain does it....for Barry to bring it up right after was very tasteless and that man's life was used as a token not a symbol. This was brought up earlier forgive me for not remembering by who on this thread....
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Old 09-27-2008, 04:47 PM
 
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McCain hands down. He also got to Obama which was GREAT! He rattled him. Quite frankly I thought McCain should have been more aggressive but that is not his style in the debates. But than it made him look more authoritative and in control which he was.
Obama is the rabbit and McCain the tortoise.... we all know who won that one!
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Old 09-27-2008, 04:55 PM
 
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It is the classic mob minded mentality in action. Whether or not people thought McCain or Obama won, at the time I think the majority thought it was extremely close with votes going both ways.

Today, those who didn't speak their minds at the heat of the moment, looked at the polls and said, well Obama must have won, the polls say so. Matters not if he did or didn't. Those who didn't even bother to watch the debate will awaken today to say, Obama must have kicked butt, when in fact, he held his own but far from kicked butt.

This is an aspect of sociology that I find most fascinating, especially when it involves media, politics, and Joe Main Street.
Interesting thought I think those who are not sure of who they are possibly are more swayed maybe. They don't have the fortitude to stand on their own and make their own decisions.
Wanting acceptance in society as well is a big part of it too I think. I think this is where the waters can muddy a bit as far as the followers and leaders may be compared to sheeple.
That is why cults are so successful in seeking out that right person to join their fold.
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Old 09-27-2008, 04:58 PM
 
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It is the classic mob minded mentality in action. Whether or not people thought McCain or Obama won, at the time I think the majority thought it was extremely close with votes going both ways.

Today, those who didn't speak their minds at the heat of the moment, looked at the polls and said, well Obama must have won, the polls say so. Matters not if he did or didn't. Those who didn't even bother to watch the debate will awaken today to say, Obama must have kicked butt, when in fact, he held his own but far from kicked butt.

This is an aspect of sociology that I find most fascinating, especially when it involves media, politics, and Joe Main Street.
I thought it was almost even (Obama on economy, McCain on Foreign policy). Rs and Ds had made up their mind before the debate so their opinion would not change between yesterday and today as to who won. It is the independents who have likely "moved". These are the same independents, who after months of politics, are unable to make up their mind. Majority of them are busy with their day-to-day lives and do not factcheck every little thing. So, in the morning after, for independents, things like "image" and "body language" - not the actual debate details -- end up playing a larger role, tilting them a bit towards Obama.

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Old 09-27-2008, 05:30 PM
 
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McCain hands down. He also got to Obama which was GREAT! He rattled him. Quite frankly I thought McCain should have been more aggressive but that is not his style in the debates. But than it made him look more authoritative and in control which he was.
Obama is the rabbit and McCain the tortoise.... we all know who won that one!
I agree! I wanted McCain to nail his smug opponent on the $126,000 bribe from freddie/fannie and the fact that Obama knew of the problem in 2005 and took the money anyway....
Most America people don't want to see the bickering in the debates...I do but then agian I have issues....I was worried after the first couple of questions as Barry was doing good but MAC came back and never quit.
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Old 09-27-2008, 05:32 PM
 
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This is another poll, from one of the major UK newspapers...

Poll: Who did best in the US presidential debate? | World news | guardian.co.uk

Puts Obama at 84%, McCain at 15% at time of posting.
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Old 09-27-2008, 05:35 PM
 
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I agree! I wanted McCain to nail his smug opponent on the $126,000 bribe from freddie/fannie and the fact that Obama knew of the problem in 2005 and took the money anyway....
Most America people don't want to see the bickering in the debates...I do but then agian I have issues....I was worried after the first couple of questions as Barry was doing good but MAC came back and never quit.
Obama can learn the lesson but does not know what he is saying! Yeah that and on Pakistan oh my there were so many.

I also loved how childish Obama was about the song WTF! Was pretty proud of himself for a brief moment before he realized he should have not said that! LOL..
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