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View Poll Results: Who won the 1st Presidential Debate
McCain 124 32.04%
Obama 194 50.13%
It was a tie 69 17.83%
Voters: 387. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-27-2008, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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There were several instances where Obama attempted to rebut McCain but out of respect for the moderator he let it go and allowed Jim to continue leading the debate.

BTW, there's nothing wrong with raising your hand. People in college, graduate school, and the highest academic settings do it all the time. It demonstrates respect.
It demonstrates no such thing in a Presidential debate. That was not school, or didn't you know that fact.
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Old 09-27-2008, 07:43 PM
 
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The huffpo lies as it assumes it's readers are not smart enough to digg for the truth in older articles and the vote record from the senate....these articles are fact and can be proven by the public vote from the senate.


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What would you expect CBS to say....how many flew on Obama's world tour from CBS....

Moral of the story... everyone lies and is secretly in love with McCain... more so, [McCain] won the debate and everyone thinks it (inc. the contradictory evidence here, there and everywhere), but we just don't want to say it.

Makes sense to me.

Do you two see purple fish in imaginary land? I've always wanted a purple fish.
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Old 09-27-2008, 07:44 PM
 
Location: "The Sunshine State"
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Definition of McSame.....1.)WAR....2.)AND NOT CARING ABOUT MIDDLE CLASS AMERICA!

That is why he does not even bring up the economy with any compassion. He has 13 homes and his wife is worth millions. He could care less if the economy goes to crap down the flushbowl. He is doing great....same with Bushwacker! Cannot wait till they go away in Jan. Say la vie! OBAMA/08
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Old 09-27-2008, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Austin TX
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It's clear McCain had the better debate. He thrashed him consistently on Iran, Russia, Iraq.

It was embarassing for Obama.

Funny how a majority saw it differently!
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Old 09-27-2008, 07:52 PM
 
Location: At my computador
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Funny how a majority saw it differently!
You must be referring to the masses of morons who were too dense to understand how bubbles work and to recognize the one that screwed up the economy?
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Old 09-27-2008, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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There were several instances where Obama attempted to rebut McCain but out of respect for the moderator he let it go and allowed Jim to continue leading the debate.
Uh, no. That's the biggest load of BS I've heard in quite a while. So, instead of rebutting a point that Mac just bludgeoned him with, he politely let's it go, and gives the point to Mac, is that what you're saying? His attempts to rebutt were lame and lamer.

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BTW, there's nothing wrong with raising your hand. People in college, graduate school, and the highest academic settings do it all the time. It demonstrates respect.
Not in a presidential debate. You must be new to politics. He had almost a panicky demeanor to him as Mac was pounding him on these points. Almost looking to the moderator to help him put a stop to it, to interupt on his behalf. What is even more interesting is a split screen version of the debate - you can clearly see him getting rattled and anxious.
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Old 09-27-2008, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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Uh, no. That's the biggest load of BS I've heard in quite a while. So, instead of rebutting a point that Mac just bludgeoned him with, he politely let's it go, and gives the point to Mac, is that what you're saying? His attempts to rebutt were lame and lamer.



Not in a presidential debate. You must be new to politics. He had almost a panicky demeanor to him as Mac was pounding him on these points. Almost looking to the moderator to help him put a stop to it, to interupt on his behalf. What is even more interesting is a split screen version of the debate - you can clearly see him getting rattled and anxious.
Understand that people like that think they are still in college and think the world is run the same way a school is. Not any real critical thinking at all.
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Old 09-27-2008, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Moral of the story... everyone lies and is secretly in love with McCain... more so, [McCain] won the debate and everyone thinks it (inc. the contradictory evidence here, there and everywhere), but we just don't want to say it.

Makes sense to me.

Do you two see purple fish in imaginary land? I've always wanted a purple fish.
Uhmmmmm What??? As an outsider what do you think of the human race?

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Well since nobody comes to explain it I will...
2 types of republicans, conservative, fiscal conservative, and of course both.
Usually when you say conservative is almost always talking about social conservative(homosexuals, abortions, etc.)
Fiscal Conservative, is only about fiscal(mainly money), fiscal conservatives are strong capitalist. They think capitalism is the best way and the american way. Small government, more freedom.
And then we have republicans that are both.
I am an active member of the republican party(I actually even volunteer for McCain campaign).
I am not a conservative, but I am a extreme fiscal conservative just like Rudy Giuliani. I dont like the extreme right(social) but I just hate extreme left

I was really just going for a conservative believes in smaller/limited govt. and cutting taxes....Bush was known for this....now he only cuts taxes.

A fiscal conservative will limit govt. (govt. should not be in business of any kind ever) cutting taxes and reducing spending. The reducing the spending part Bush has never understood...Bush is not and has never been a fiscal conservative. He is a conservative.

Obama is a socialist and believes in re-distribution of wealth. Under his plan 95% of Americans will get a tax cut (except for those with capital gains, SS, or Medicare/caid) the problem with that is 40% of the American population doesn't pay taxes.
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Old 09-27-2008, 08:12 PM
 
Location: At my computador
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A fiscal conservative will limit govt. (govt. should not be in business of any kind ever) cutting taxes and reducing spending.
Just a note (but not implying that you said anything contrary) an authentic capitalist does not believe that government should never be involved in business. Far from it.
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Old 09-27-2008, 08:55 PM
 
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Yeah.. like that has happened in the last 8 years.

Just like.. if the corporations make more they'll "trickle it down" to the rest of us right? That's why salaries have been stagnant for so long.

The ONLY thing that "trickles down" is the company losses!
And you think that taxing them the more money would trickle down??
More tax= less money in the market= less gain for corporations=more expensive life= less jobs. Simple.
What is going on right now has nothing to do with tax, but the housing market and loans.
Everything started when the government(President Clinton) decided to intervene in the mortage. Clinton made it easier for people to get loans, lowering the requirements of income, credit, etc.
Well at least my salaries has increased.
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