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09-30-2008, 02:29 AM
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Senior Member
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McCain gets elected, more war=more people dying=military resources tied up=america vulnerable=minor attack,natural disaster=bye bye america We need to get our priorities in order so we can start bringing troops home and repair our severed ties with our allies who the current administration has pissed off across the board. THEN we can focus on the economy,our pourous borders, and all the other things that effect our daily lives here!! Just remember, our country has taken a SERIOUS downturn in these last eight years starting with 9-11 and ending in rising unemployment, slowly rising crime,gas and grocery prices at an all time high. While we can't blame it ALL on one party (i.e.+republicans), but we need to go with the lesser of two evils so to speak, because the current system is obviously failing so the best strategy is to deviate from that as much as possible. Unfortunately, things will probably get worse for our country before they get better, but how much worse depends on who we put up to bat next. 
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09-30-2008, 05:46 AM
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Captain Obvious
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LOL you all think congress is only going to go as far left as Obama is campaigning?
ROFLMAO. Obama may be very genuine in his campaign. Pelosi and company have a LONG list of pet bills waiting in the wings.
Union Card Check
tax increases sub 250K
etc
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09-30-2008, 05:55 AM
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Things that can't go on forever, don't.
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Originally Posted by idahogie
Obama is just as moderate as Hillary. He will do a fine job. As you've seen with the current crisis, the Dems are jumping in to try and solve the problem (they necessarily had to start from the Bush plan, but they improved it greatly). The GOP politicized it and ended up defeating it. It may have been a bad bill, but none of us can say that it wasn't necessary at this point.
Obama will get his hands dirty and work the problems, just like Clinton did. And like Clinton, he will work across the isle to get things done. That's what the Dems do.
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if you think that obama is just as moderate as hillary you obviously have not looked at his voting record. senate.gov is a good place to start. actions speak louder than words.
call-me-if-you-need me obama is still waiting for the phone call and is probably smarting over the lost ACORN funding in the bailout bill.
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09-30-2008, 05:57 AM
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Natural born citizen
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Obama is not too proud to pull in great financial minds to help him navigate through this mess. For God's sake, he has Warren Buffett at his shoulder.
He may not act quickly and immediately but I do believe he will deliberate, ask questions, talk to experts and develop a plan that will get our economy back on track.
I would much rather have a responsible thinker in office than a hot headed maverick.
Yesterday afternoon McCain gave a speech about the failure of the bailout vote. He slammed Obama for making it partisan(although Obama isn't the person who dramatically went to Washington last week) then stated that partisan politics and finger pointing don't need to be brought into this.
McCain can't handle campaigning or selecting a decent running mate. I sure as hell don't have any faith that he will guide our country through this mess.
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09-30-2008, 07:09 AM
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Black Belt Grandmaster Member
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Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Originally Posted by CarolinaCowboy
I'm serious, please read this Democrats and think about this. Please no junior high answers. This is serious!
With the current situation we need some new blood in this race. Someone with a backbone, pissss and vinegar attitude to shake things up. I am seriously afraid of Obama taking office in the mists of this mess. Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of these "hate all things left" type people, but I seriously fear the American people have no idea of the perfect storm we are heading into. If the economy forecast were showing even a mild recession, then fine, bring the man in, with his liberal ideas and see what he can do, ala Bill Clinton. However, what we have before us is such a huge, horrific mess, I fear that if Obama tried to make good on even a few of his promises, we are all doomed. He truly does not have the capacity to deal with what is ahead. I'm not sure anyone does, but we could find someone else. This election really, really scares me. So many issues and so little experience, it is a recipe for disaster. I think Obama might make a fine President if times were looking better, I really do.
If you liberals / Democrats are sincerely 100% honest you know this is true. Obama, to make things work, will have to be an ultra right wing ax cutter with that budget. No way around it. Obama is not ready to take on what is coming. McCain is probably more experienced and has the grit to deal with it better, BUT, I know, Republicans are on the chopping block and taking the blame for all this, so he will likely loose this election.
I honestly can say this at least, if we had to loose and it looks like we might (Republicans) , it should have been to Hillary and not Obama. At least with her experience, moderate stance on the major issues and the experience of old slick Willy behind her, we might have a chance. Obama is going to do us in.
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It's "Lose" the election, not "Loose" for crying out loud. If you don't want high school answers, don't print high school questions.
You are correct however...if Obama goes through with any of his tax increases that he is proposing, he will send this economy into a tailspin that will likely mirror the Depression. But talking to some of the more fanatical worshippers of Obama, there is always another reason somewhere else to vote for him (usually because of something Bush did, not McCain, a flawed logic itself), and some of these people are starting to freak me out. I mean it's almost like a cult the way some of these people act....plus, here yesterday in Florida, you've got the people from Acorn just walking up and down the streets trying to register anyone to vote. It was kind of creepy.
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09-30-2008, 07:30 AM
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RoaredTheirTerribleRoars
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Originally Posted by ShakenStirred
and some of these people are starting to freak me out. I mean it's almost like a cult the way some of these people act....plus, here yesterday in Florida, you've got the people from Acorn just walking up and down the streets trying to register anyone to vote. It was kind of creepy.
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Well, Acorn has had their ups and downs but they did help raise the minimum wage in Florida--and as long as everything is legitimate, I don't have a problem with them giving people a voice by helping them register to vote.
Both sides of the political spectrum feel cultish to me.
Certainly both sides feel their POV is the correct one, and that their counterparts simply have not yet seen the light.
What LML says here:
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Seriously, I'm not altogether positive that Obama will be able to fix all that it wrong... it has taken a lot to get us into this mess and we won't get out of it over night. And I'm not even positive that Obama is the perfect person for the job. But what I DO KNOW is that McCain will make things much worse with his grandstanding, shoot first and ask questions later, making decisions without information or thought cowboy mentality. We have had that for 8 years and I sincerely do not think we can survive 4 more. So, in this case, it is better the devil you DON'T know rather than the one you do.
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...pretty much speaks for me.
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09-30-2008, 08:09 AM
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Bill Richardson/Tom Vilsak verses Ron Paul/Newt Gingrich would have been great! I also like Wes Clark for the democrats and Duncan Hunter, Mitt Romney, and Bobby Jindal for the republicans.
This McCain-Obama race makes me sick.
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09-30-2008, 08:12 AM
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Senior Member
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You want this mess fixed ...
Gingrich/Romney '08
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