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Old 10-01-2008, 08:57 PM
 
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Homeless people are the country's poorest, most destitute, most in need of some sort of help. Of course they should be able to vote. Most homeless people were once just like you. They may have had a run of bad luck, or a mental illness, or a drug problem that landed them on the streets. They are still citizens of this country and of course they should be allowed to vote. It is ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
Just because a person is homeless should not in itself exclude them from voting. But drug addicts and mentally ill people should not vote. And mentally ill people and drug addicts do make up the largest portion of the homeless.
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Old 10-01-2008, 09:02 PM
 
Location: San Gabriel Valley, CA
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Just because a person is homeless should not in itself exclude them from voting. But drug addicts and mentally ill people should not vote. And mentally ill people and drug addicts do make up the largest portion of the homeless.
What about alcoholics?

What about people on antidepressants?

What about bipolar people?

What about high-functioning autistic people?

It's okay so long as someone's putting them up for now and they have a bed to sleep in? Who decides who "can" vote? You?

Like it or not, this is America. If a schizophrenic person wants to vote and does so because s/he believes the opposing candidate to be a pod person from Jupiter, well, that's what happens. Scary? Yes. Now you know how we Dems feel when we realize some people are voting on the paranoid, delusional basis that Obama is a terrorist, was planted as an infant into the U.S. and given a false birth certificate with a 45-year plan to eventually have him run for president and become The Antichrist as described in Revelations, etc.

But hell. We have to allow you to vote. Delusional basis for your decision or no. And I'm not being snotty about that. I'm being 100% aboveboard. The level of paranoia I see here is literally frightening...to think there could be people walking right next to me in the street or at the supermarket or wherever who suspect the most bizarre things based on convoluted conspiracy theories. You'd never know, would you? Because many people who feel this way aren't homeless. So they had a shower this morning and everything and they pretty much look like anyone else.

My ex-husband is literally drinking himself to death. But he isn't homeless...because after I left him, his 70-year-old parents took him back in. Then they had the good grace to die and leave him a completely mortgage-free house. Whoopie! You wanna talk addicts? This man was reduced from the person who programmed the machines at a shop that created government parts for $65K/year, to a part-time janitor. He literally can not keep from p * ssing himself and he vomits and sometimes chokes, but so far has woken out of it each time before he died (I know because I used to be the one slamming him on the back to keep him alive) but he can vote. But he's not homeless so he'd pass your test, eh, AnotherPatriot? There are people all over this nation who are incapacitated in various ways, incompetent in various ways, mentally deranged in various ways but if they have ID...they can vote (unless they're currently locked away). Deal. Look, if it's any consolation, the truly, certifiably insane homeless will probably vote Republican. I mean who else would? Drive around in your van and offer them all free Kool-Aid and a Bible and they'll be following you and pulling that red lever, I promise you.

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Old 10-01-2008, 09:06 PM
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Just because a person is homeless should not in itself exclude them from voting. But drug addicts and mentally ill people should not vote. And mentally ill people and drug addicts do make up the largest portion of the homeless.
Speaking of Illinois (see below), I remember when the liquor stores were allowed open on election day, when previously they had to be closed (sometime in the early 70s). My husband said something like "I think they want everyone to be in their normal state of mind to vote, so they let the stores open".

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You must be joking! This is Cook County, IL. Many, many voting irregularities are reported EVERY SINGLE ELECTION, even for local contests and primaries. Little is ever done about it.
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I read Hillary Clinton's autobiography, in which she joined some group that checked addresses of voters after the 1960 presidential election. Some of the addresses in the city of Chicago were vacant lots, bars, etc. The joke is that in Chicago, dead people vote, and some people vote early and vote often (in other words more than once).

OTOH, giving people rides to the polls is a time-honored tradition. When my grandmother got too feeble to walk to her poling place, she got a ride from, I believe, The League of Women Voters. In any event, she called some group for a ride (didn't want to ask my dad, her son, I guess).
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Old 10-01-2008, 09:21 PM
 
Location: The 719
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In other countries only people who have identification papers and an address can vote.

...so who can proof that the homeless who have no identification are who they are and aren't convicted felons convicted on murder, etc....
Wow. I didn't know Republicans or anti-Democrats or whatever you are... could be so petty. This IS sad.

I don't know where you're from, but in my town there's a place called Posada that help the homeless get stuff like ID first thing. Fact: many homeless people have ID.

They (Dems) take them to the voting booth? Really? Which Dems? I want name. Pictures! No pic, no proof. No pics, didn't happen.

Well the Dems must be up to something. They are wailing ass on the GOPs right now. Who'd a thunk it was the sex offenders, murderers, homeless dregs.

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What about alcoholics?..
What about alcoholics? They can't or shouldn't vote? Hmmm. How would they go about forcing this one?

"You can apply for this voter registration if. Your. Not. An Alcoholic... So, are you an alcoholic?"

"No! Of course not! I'm sober adj a judge."

This just in: Since the first printings of the Big Book Alcoholics Anonymous in 1939, Alcoholism plunged more than 45% in the Akron area.

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If a schizophrenic person wants to vote and does so because s/he believes the opposing candidate to be a pod person from Jupiter, well, that's what happens. Scary? Yes...
I've heard worse reasons. But my brother IS a paranoid schizophrenic. The funny thing about him though, is that HE is running for the President. He said that he will take us to the Land of Milk and Honey, he's going to end all wars, and he's gonna legalize Marijuana.

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My ex-husband is literally drinking himself to death. But he isn't homeless...because after I left him, his 70-year-old parents took him back in. Then they had the good grace to die and leave him a completely mortgage-free house. Whoopie! You wanna talk addicts? This man was reduced from the person who programmed the machines at a shop that created government parts for $65K/year, to a part-time janitor. He literally can not keep from p * ssing himself and he vomits and sometimes chokes, but so far has woken out of it each time before he died (I know because I used to be the one slamming him on the back to keep him alive) but he can vote. But he's not homeless so he'd pass your test, eh, AnotherPatriot? There are people all over this nation who are incapacitated in various ways, incompetent in various ways, mentally deranged in various ways but if they have ID...they can vote (unless they're currently locked away). Deal. Look, if it's any consolation, the truly, certifiably insane homeless will probably vote Republican. I mean who else would? Drive around in your van and offer them all free Kool-Aid and a Bible and they'll be following you and pulling that red lever, I promise you.
I'd give up my vote to get my heart back. That's.... hmmm. I think I'm going to leave this thread and build that bridge to nowhere.

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Old 10-01-2008, 09:25 PM
 
Location: south by midwest
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But drug addicts and mentally ill people should not vote.
What about stupid people?
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Old 10-01-2008, 09:29 PM
 
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What about alcoholics?

What about people on antidepressants?

What about bipolar people?

What about high-functioning autistic people?

It's okay so long as someone's putting them up for now and they have a bed to sleep in? Who decides who "can" vote? You?

Like it or not, this is America. If a schizophrenic person wants to vote and does so because s/he believes the opposing candidate to be a pod person from Jupiter, well, that's what happens. Scary? Yes. Now you know how we Dems feel when we realize some people are voting on the paranoid, delusional basis that Obama is a terrorist, was planted as an infant into the U.S. and given a false birth certificate with a 45-year plan to eventually have him run for president and become The Antichrist as described in Revelations, etc.

But hell. We have to allow you to vote. Delusional basis for your decision or no. And I'm not being snotty about that. I'm being 100% aboveboard. The level of paranoia I see here is literally frightening...to think there could be people walking right next to me in the street or at the supermarket or wherever who suspect the most bizarre things based on convoluted conspiracy theories. You'd never know, would you? Because many people who feel this way aren't homeless. So they had a shower this morning and everything and they pretty much look like anyone else.

My ex-husband is literally drinking himself to death. Why isn't he homeless? Because his 70-year-old parents took him back in. Then they had the good grace to die and leave him a completely mortgage-free house. Whoopie! You wanna talk addicts? This man was reduced from the person who programmed the machines at a shop that created government parts for $65K/year, to a part-time janitor. He literally can not keep from p * ssing himself and he vomits and sometimes chokes, but so far has woken out of it each time before he died (I know because I used to be the one slamming him on the back to keep him alive) but he can vote. And he's not homeless. ETA: Although he will be soon, because from what I've heard, he's so far gone he's even about to lose a house that was literally handed to him for free. Then should he no longer be able to vote? Okay, then how about the 10 previous years when his brain was no more clear than it is now...but he had a place to live?

Maybe I should have stated it differently. IMO people who are mentally impaired whether through mental illness or a mind altering substance should not vote. And bussing these people to the polls is wrong.
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Old 10-01-2008, 09:35 PM
 
Location: San Gabriel Valley, CA
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What about stupid people?
Awesome! IQ check required! I'm game. My IQ isn't up there but it's passable so I'm in! (wiping brow with relief)

I think we should all make up lists of questions/a set of criteria that we think people should have to pass in order to be allowed to vote.

Here's mine. It's a mental stability test:

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VOTER ELIGIBILITY TEST
Section I: Mental Stability Assessment


A score of TEN OR HIGHER is required in order to obtain voting eligibility for the 2008 presidential election.


1. Has anyone ever hinted to you that you might be crazy? (yes) (no) Score ONE for no

2. Has a psychiatrist ever hinted to you that you might be crazy? (yes) (no) Score TWO for no

3. Has sanrene ever told you that you're crazy and disagreed with you? (yes) (no) Score ELEVEN for yes

4. Do you believe that all three major presidential candidates were born in the U.S. and are currently legitimate U.S. citizens? (yes) (no) Score ONE for yes

5. Do you believe one of the candidates may live illegally in the U.S. based on a hunch? (yes) (no) Score ONE for no

6. Do you believe one of the candidates may live illegally in the U.S. based on a site that includes the words "Obamacrimes" or "Dems2DistroyAmeruca"? (yes) (no) Score FORTY-THREE for no

7. Do you have a religious affiliation? (baseline question, no yes or no answer)

8. Do you at least partially accept the religion of all the presidential and vice presidential candidates? (yes) (no) Score two for yes

9. Do you believe that at least one of the presidential candidates is the result of a congress between Satan's semen and an earth female, was sent to earth with the explicit agenda to destroy mankind and will enslave a vast portion of the earth, while the remainder are magically transported as whole, complete bodies into the air? (yes) (no) (Please take a seat in the white room with the two-way mirror and the bars on the windows for a "yes" answer and thank you for participating in our test.)
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Old 10-01-2008, 09:42 PM
 
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Glad you posted this thread, because it gave me a grand ole idea. Maybe I will volunteer and help get some of the homeless people to the voting booths as well.

As a matter of fact , I'm going to spread the word around tonight and throughout tomorrow, to my dear friends and family in the North and the South, to do the same. I will also encourage them to spread the word among their friends and family. This is gonna be huge ! Homeless people all over will be voting, as they have every right to.

Homeless people voices should count too. They are indeed a part of this America.

Thanks again for the idea !!!!!
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Old 10-02-2008, 01:16 AM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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I have nothing against homeless people voting, but shouldn't they at least proof who they are....they could be convicted felons, sex offenders illegal aliens, etc.....

I heard that they can vote....this campaign makes me think certain people in this country do anything to win and have their candidate win this election which makes it IMO a fraudelent election.

In other countries only people who have identification papers and an address can vote. This to prevent fraud. People get their voting cards send to their address (or you have to give notice that you are away and they will send it to another address if you have proof) to avoid fraud.

In Florida the laws have changed and convicted felons can vote but only the non violence one, so who can proof that the homeless who have no identification are who they are and aren't convicted felons convicted on murder, etc....

If the Dem. take them on a bus to get them to the voting precinct, what else are they giving them to get their vote? Food, money, etc, what does it cost for the Dem. to get that vote?
Sources please, sources.
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Old 10-02-2008, 01:17 AM
 
Location: San Gabriel Valley, CA
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Maybe I should have stated it differently. IMO people who are mentally impaired whether through mental illness or a mind altering substance should not vote. And bussing these people to the polls is wrong.
Okay, so. Again. Who's going to go into people's homes to determine that any and every voter is eligible because he or she is not mentally impaired and is not using any mind altering substances (including alcohol) and has no mental illness (including, for example, depression)?

You seem to be worrying here only about "homeless" people who have these issues. People living in homes who have these issues are just fine to vote? Why? What makes the difference...in your opinion, I mean?

And again, why are you against them being bused in? What's your objection to the transportation part?
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