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View Poll Results: Who's really going to give us "Change?"
Obama/Biden 29 47.54%
McCain/Palin 24 39.34%
I did not know Congress controls economic change and not the President!! 8 13.11%
Voters: 61. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-03-2008, 10:00 AM
 
Location: S.Florida
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Originally Posted by ShakenStirred View Post
George Bush has been in office for 7-1/2 years.
>> The first six, the economy was fine, despite 9/11.
>> A little over one year ago:
>> 1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2-1/2 year high;
>> 2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
>> 3) Unemployment rate was 4.5%.
>> 4) DOW JONES hit a record high 14,000
>> 5) Americans were buying new cars,taking cruises,
>> vacations overseas, living large!
>>
>> But Americans wanted 'CHANGE'! So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress and yes, we got 'CHANGE.' In the past year:
>> 1) Consumer confidence has plummeted;
>> 2) Gasoline is over $4 a gallon;
>> 3) Unemployment is above 5.5% (a 10% increase);
>> 4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12
>> trillion
>> and prices are still dropping;
>> 5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
>> 6) As I write, the DOW is probing another low;
>> 7) $2.5 trillion has EVAPORATED FROM THEIR STOCKS,
>> BONDS &
>> MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT PORTFOLIOS!
>>
YES, IN 2006 AMERICANS VOTED FOR CHANGE...AND WE SURE GOT IT!
REMEMBER, THE PRESIDENT HAS NO CONTROL OVER ANY OF THESE ISSUES, ONLY CONGRESS.
AND WHAT HAS CONGRESS DONE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. NOW THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT CLAIMS HE IS GOING TO REALLY GIVE US CHANGE ALONG WITH A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS!

HOW MUCH MORE 'CHANGE' DO YOU WANT?

Mccan should hire you instead of the grossly over paid mngr he has who has failed him .
Info like that is what he needs to get out and ask " Do you want a Nancy Pelisi -Reid run gvmt" as that is what will happen without a balance of power in Washington.
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Old 10-03-2008, 10:04 AM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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Originally Posted by ShakenStirred View Post
George Bush has been in office for 7-1/2 years.
>> The first six, the economy was fine, despite 9/11.
>> A little over one year ago:
>> 1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2-1/2 year high;
>> 2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
>> 3) Unemployment rate was 4.5%.
>> 4) DOW JONES hit a record high 14,000
>> 5) Americans were buying new cars,taking cruises,
>> vacations overseas, living large!
>>
>> But Americans wanted 'CHANGE'! So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress and yes, we got 'CHANGE.' In the past year:
>> 1) Consumer confidence has plummeted;
>> 2) Gasoline is over $4 a gallon;
>> 3) Unemployment is above 5.5% (a 10% increase);
>> 4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12
>> trillion
>> and prices are still dropping;
>> 5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
>> 6) As I write, the DOW is probing another low;
>> 7) $2.5 trillion has EVAPORATED FROM THEIR STOCKS,
>> BONDS &
>> MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT PORTFOLIOS!
>>
YES, IN 2006 AMERICANS VOTED FOR CHANGE...AND WE SURE GOT IT!
REMEMBER, THE PRESIDENT HAS NO CONTROL OVER ANY OF THESE ISSUES, ONLY CONGRESS.
AND WHAT HAS CONGRESS DONE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. NOW THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT CLAIMS HE IS GOING TO REALLY GIVE US CHANGE ALONG WITH A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS!

HOW MUCH MORE 'CHANGE' DO YOU WANT?


Ok, George Bush's real accomplishments for his 7.5 years:

Accomplishments As President

Attacked and took over two countries.
Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.
Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
First president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.
First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in U.S. history.
After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.
Set the record for most campaign fundraising trips than any other president in U.S. history.
In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in U.S. history.
Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.
Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in U.S. history.
Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.
Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in U.S. history.
Presided over the biggest energy crises in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
Presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.
Dissolved more international treaties than any president in U.S. history.
My presidency is the most secretive and unaccountable of any in U.S. history.
Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history (the 'poorest' multimillionaire, Condoleezza Rice, has an Exxon oil tanker named after her).
First president in U.S. history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.
Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.
First president in U.S. history to order a U.S. attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation.
Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in U.S. history.
First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the human rights commission.
First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the elections monitoring board.
Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in U.S. history.
Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
Refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
First president in U.S. history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. elections).
All-time U.S. (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
My biggest lifetime campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).
Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in U.S. history.
First president in U.S. history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
First president to run and hide when the U.S. came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
First U.S. president to establish a secret shadow government.
Took the biggest world sympathy for the U.S. after 9/11, and in less than a year made the U.S. the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in U.S. and world history).
With a policy of 'disengagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
Fist U.S. president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
First U.S. president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the U.S. than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated U.S. law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.
Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive.'
Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.
In the 18 months following the 9/11 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.
Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in U.S. history.
In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the U.S. has ever been since the Civil War.
Entered office with the strongest economy in U.S. history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.


Your strong points 1-5 have nothing to do with dubya. Get real.
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Old 10-03-2008, 10:05 AM
 
Location: S.Florida
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Yuck! Dont even mention obama! Yes he will change America all right, he will crush it! His ideas are nutty! Free healthcare? Please!!!! Take a look at Canada!

Get the voters out there! Vote for a fresh safe change!

Vote McCain/Palin 2008

He doesn't want to change the health care system. If you have health care than keep it if you don't the gvmt will provide it which is more than they do now.

Many working poor do not have it and never will. Obama will not take our health care just provide it for those that do not have it.

Since I no longer think he will do what he claims nor is who I thought . I don't support him but his plan isn't to socialize health care.
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Old 10-03-2008, 11:15 AM
 
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Thank you for taking such an enormous amount of time to research and post all that information. Actually, I agree with you on the majority of it, and I agree with another poster who said it feels like GW has been President for 1000 years.

But, last I hear, GW is NOT a candidate in this election, and if he is, I'm not voting for him. So if your efforts were to convince me not too, they worked. I am however, voting for McCain. Again, thanks for the voluminous information.

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Originally Posted by ian6479 View Post
Ok, George Bush's real accomplishments for his 7.5 years:

Accomplishments As President

Attacked and took over two countries.
Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.
Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
First president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.
First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in U.S. history.
After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.
Set the record for most campaign fundraising trips than any other president in U.S. history.
In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in U.S. history.
Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.
Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in U.S. history.
Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.
Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in U.S. history.
Presided over the biggest energy crises in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
Presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.
Dissolved more international treaties than any president in U.S. history.
My presidency is the most secretive and unaccountable of any in U.S. history.
Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history (the 'poorest' multimillionaire, Condoleezza Rice, has an Exxon oil tanker named after her).
First president in U.S. history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.
Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.
First president in U.S. history to order a U.S. attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation.
Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in U.S. history.
First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the human rights commission.
First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the elections monitoring board.
Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in U.S. history.
Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
Refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
First president in U.S. history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. elections).
All-time U.S. (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
My biggest lifetime campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).
Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in U.S. history.
First president in U.S. history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
First president to run and hide when the U.S. came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
First U.S. president to establish a secret shadow government.
Took the biggest world sympathy for the U.S. after 9/11, and in less than a year made the U.S. the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in U.S. and world history).
With a policy of 'disengagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
Fist U.S. president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
First U.S. president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the U.S. than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated U.S. law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.
Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive.'
Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.
In the 18 months following the 9/11 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.
Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in U.S. history.
In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the U.S. has ever been since the Civil War.
Entered office with the strongest economy in U.S. history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.


Your strong points 1-5 have nothing to do with dubya. Get real.
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Old 10-03-2008, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ShakenStirred View Post
George Bush has been in office for 7-1/2 years.
>> The first six, the economy was fine, despite 9/11.
>> A little over one year ago:
>> 1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2-1/2 year high;
>> 2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
>> 3) Unemployment rate was 4.5%.
>> 4) DOW JONES hit a record high 14,000
>> 5) Americans were buying new cars,taking cruises,
>> vacations overseas, living large!
>>
>> But Americans wanted 'CHANGE'! So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress and yes, we got 'CHANGE.' In the past year:
>> 1) Consumer confidence has plummeted;
>> 2) Gasoline is over $4 a gallon;
>> 3) Unemployment is above 5.5% (a 10% increase);
>> 4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12
>> trillion
>> and prices are still dropping;
>> 5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
>> 6) As I write, the DOW is probing another low;
>> 7) $2.5 trillion has EVAPORATED FROM THEIR STOCKS,
>> BONDS &
>> MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT PORTFOLIOS!
>>
YES, IN 2006 AMERICANS VOTED FOR CHANGE...AND WE SURE GOT IT!
REMEMBER, THE PRESIDENT HAS NO CONTROL OVER ANY OF THESE ISSUES, ONLY CONGRESS.
AND WHAT HAS CONGRESS DONE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. NOW THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT CLAIMS HE IS GOING TO REALLY GIVE US CHANGE ALONG WITH A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS!

HOW MUCH MORE 'CHANGE' DO YOU WANT?

Post of the day!
I want Palin and Cheney to take the do nothing congress hunting in Texas....then we will get a mulligan!
I'd rep ya but I have to go spread it around first.....
FYI dow is up by about 200 pts. Sorry that was prior to the house vote and the president speaking....dow is now down by 20 points......

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Old 10-03-2008, 02:42 PM
 
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Post of the day!
I want Palin and Cheney to take the do nothing congress hunting in Texas....then we will get a mulligan!
I'd rep ya but I have to go spread it around first.....
FYI dow is up by about 200 pts. Sorry that was prior to the house vote and the president speaking....dow is now down by 20 points......

Thanks for the compliment. And here's my advice, just don't even look at your portfolio until after the 1st of the year. After all this volatiility we'll probably end up a few points year over year. Take advantage of the big dips and you'll be fine...unless of course Obama is elected and raised the capital gains tax like he's promised. In that case, everyone is going to start pulling money out like crazy right after the election, and the economy is only going to get worse.
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Old 10-03-2008, 02:51 PM
 
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He doesn't want to change the health care system. If you have health care than keep it if you don't the gvmt will provide it which is more than they do now.

Many working poor do not have it and never will. Obama will not take our health care just provide it for those that do not have it.

Since I no longer think he will do what he claims nor is who I thought . I don't support him but his plan isn't to socialize health care.

I'm sorry, your post is too rational and logical to be posted on this forum. Would you please either begin bashing Obama's policies or bashing Sarah Palin personally, or we'll have to ask you to leave the forum. Doing both are acceptable, however; bashing Palin alone will garner you many more friends on this forum.
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Old 10-03-2008, 02:56 PM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
4,664 posts, read 8,242,225 times
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Thanks for the compliment. And here's my advice, just don't even look at your portfolio until after the 1st of the year. After all this volatiility we'll probably end up a few points year over year. Take advantage of the big dips and you'll be fine...unless of course Obama is elected and raised the capital gains tax like he's promised. In that case, everyone is going to start pulling money out like crazy right after the election, and the economy is only going to get worse.

You do know that you completely contradict 'the economist' and the 600+ economic experts they have polled on Obama and Mccain's economic policies right?? Supporters of Mccain because of economic policy really should get an education
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Old 10-03-2008, 04:51 PM
 
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Ok, George Bush's real accomplishments for his 7.5 years:

Accomplishments As President

Attacked and took over two countries.
Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.
Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
First president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.
First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in U.S. history.
After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.
Set the record for most campaign fundraising trips than any other president in U.S. history.
In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in U.S. history.
Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.
Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in U.S. history.
Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.
Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in U.S. history.
Presided over the biggest energy crises in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
Presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.
Dissolved more international treaties than any president in U.S. history.
My presidency is the most secretive and unaccountable of any in U.S. history.
Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history (the 'poorest' multimillionaire, Condoleezza Rice, has an Exxon oil tanker named after her).
First president in U.S. history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.
Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.
First president in U.S. history to order a U.S. attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation.
Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in U.S. history.
First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the human rights commission.
First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the elections monitoring board.
Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in U.S. history.
Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
Refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
First president in U.S. history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. elections).
All-time U.S. (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
My biggest lifetime campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).
Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in U.S. history.
First president in U.S. history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
First president to run and hide when the U.S. came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
First U.S. president to establish a secret shadow government.
Took the biggest world sympathy for the U.S. after 9/11, and in less than a year made the U.S. the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in U.S. and world history).
With a policy of 'disengagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
Fist U.S. president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
First U.S. president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the U.S. than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated U.S. law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.
Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive.'
Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.
In the 18 months following the 9/11 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.
Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in U.S. history.
In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the U.S. has ever been since the Civil War.
Entered office with the strongest economy in U.S. history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.


Your strong points 1-5 have nothing to do with dubya. Get real.

and you are talking about a candidate who isn't even running for election.
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Old 10-03-2008, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in Texas
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Well said ShakenStirred. Many Americans love blaming Dubya because they're clueless as to the way the government runs. It all really began going crazy when the Dems took over Congress.
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