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Beautiful post, couldn't have said it better myself. Also, do you notice that the closer someone gets to the truth of the current leadership, the more negative the far right-wingers get?
Also, if you haven't done so already, you should post this in your local news paper's "letters to the editor" section.
Thanks...I live in Arizona, I doubt they will print it.
I see. So you SUPPORT people getting in WAY over their heads and buying homes they can't afford? Since when is the "American Dream" to own a bloody McMansion? People like you are prime examples of the PROBLEM.
And you SUPPORT people cashing in the equity on these homes they can't afford to dig themselves in an even deeper hole? This aforementioned "American Dream" of yours includes using a big ole home as an ATM? Funny -- I thought homes were for living in, not to use as collateral to live beyond your means.
This exemplifies EXACTLY what's happened to America. By all means, elect your inexperienced leader who will prop up this sort of philosophy. And watch the REAL American Dream fall apart from the greed.
Not everyone is like that. Yes, there always those who abuse things. But the greater majority should not be penalized for that. Remember that teacher who punished the whole class for what one or two people did?
Yes, many people do live beyond their means, but many do not, and have had to charge medical care, or some of the necessities to get by.
Wages have not kept up with the cost of living. There is no way you can say they have.
Inexperienced leader? When has John McCain shown himself to be the maverick he claims to be?
Ron Paul certainly had more answers than either candidate now, but at least Obama is actually addressing the concerns of the Middle Class. McCain is the candidate of the country club set.
Where is McCains plan for keeping jobs in america? As far as I know, he wants to EXPAND the movement of jobs overseas. Thats what free-trade is all about! In China, when workers decide to organize against their employers, the heavy foot of the socialist chinese government comes down on them. In China, the lack of worker safety and environmental laws keeps the price of manufacturing so low, the US can't compete. McCain doesn't address this at all, Obama does. I haven't heard McCain once talk about trade regulation (he's the deregulator, remember???).
And I agree with you on the housing market, but many people who defaulted on their mortage ended up doing so because they lost their jobs. Many were tech workers who once were making 60-70k doing highly skilled programming work who had their jobs sent over-seas by the likes of Carly Fiorina (McCains top economic advisor) and ended up having to take jobs that paid considerably less.
Fiorina virtually killed Hewlett Packard. A lot of talent went flying from that company. The new CEO who took over wanted to get HP back to its roots, what it was as a pioneering company. Many at HP disliked Fiorina and what she did to HP.
The campaign stretched a string across two thumbtacks and because the Governor limbo'd under it we're expected to proclaim this a Victory, and the Governor worthy of consideration as Vice President.
Sarah, I was very incensed listening to you last night going on about people living outside their means. This was in response to the housing mortgage crisis.
You went on about people can't buy homes worth 300K if they can only afford 100K. Someone, please tell me...please, where you can buy even a condo for 100K? Maybe in some very rural areas??
Your chiding tone, scolding Americans for buying homes they couldn't afford doesn't comprehend what is going on:
People want the American Dream. You would rather have us cut back, than to get good paying jobs back in America!! Ha! Expect less, don't aspire to more...
People seek tax shelters. I don't blame them for wanting the equity either.
People assume they will be making more money in the future, or at least hoping for that. People take risks to have something better.
You blame Americans, when the problem lies with the economy.
Lost jobs, big debts and not necessarily from frivolous spending, jobs not keeping up with the cost of living are at the root of this.
Medical debts are the main problem of personal debt.
It is no wonder that Ohio has been the No. 1 state for home foreclosures...look at the millions of jobs lost, and the pay scales have gone DOWN there.
Your little talk about sitting around the table with Todd, talking about how you once didn't have insurance, blah blah. Come on! Next we will be hearing about how John McCain had to go without a corp jet at some point.
Sarah, don't try to empathize with me, because you can't. You don't know what it is like to take a job so I can be employed, so I don't qualify for health care assistance, but I don't make enough to cover health insurance costs. I cannot afford a $5000 deductible to afford the cheapest plan either. But my goal is to not be on the dole.
Sarah, don't tell me what a Maverick is. I have never aligned myself with anything or anyone because of party lines. I am an American Patriot and Taxpayer. I call it what it is. I have had to move 3 times to stay employed. Who would ever think one would have to be such a job nomad in this nation? There was a time when you could live near or in any big city, and find a livable wage job with health care benefits.
Sarah, don't tell me you know how it is. You won't talk about the destruction of the Middle Class, the outsourcing of jobs, the downsizing, the rewarding of corps that go overseas.
Sarah, I haven't heard you say once, how you'd give incentives for those companies to operate and employ Americans on American soil.
Sarah, all I have heard you talk about is the oil companies. I have heard you rant about Israel, but that, lady, is the fire you should have about the American people, not a foreign nation.
Sarah, you and John want to tax employment health care benefits. That is one of the worst things I have ever heard.
Sarah, I don't believe you. I don't believe that smile. I didn't get one wave of seriousness from you about things. I did get that you want to be VP of this nation, and that is your goal. But I don't trust many politicians and when you try to sit next to me and talk like you are "one of us", you aren't. I smell Karl Rove behind the spins, and I personally do not know how you can live with yourself. You accepted this nomination, because you wanted to be second in command, it was heady, seductive, and because you made it to governor, this was exhilarating. You fell for the "more power" and you must have had to turn off your mind at night to sleep.
You see, people remember George Bush's campaigns. The "guy you could sit and have a beer with" is the guy who was a blueblood from Connecticut, who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He isn't some pickup truck driving guy who just got elected by the popular vote. He used the same attempts. He even says EYE-RACK and NOOK YUH LAR but that never made him struggle the struggle out here.
Sarah, none of this is about relating to you, or liking your hobbies, your glasses, the fact you are a mom, or that you hail from AK. You are the big distraction, to get people to "relate to" you. But I don't vote for someone just because they are a woman, or any other superficial reason. I look at where someone stands on the issues. Ron Paul made more sense than anyone else. I cross party lines, but moreover, I consider myself an independent. It was people like you who have hijacked the Republican party, and made it a party of Neoconservatives and the Religious Right. George Bush is no conservative, yet, I can bet you and McCain will follow in his footsteps.
It is about the real issues facing this nation. We need someone who can MANAGE and CHANGE this tide. And those words are easy to throw around and use, just like the Maverick word. You say too much, but you say too little.
But someone once said to me, "Watch their actions, not their words."
-An American Taxpayer
I feel your Palin pain. This is such an insult to us. She iis so stereotypical of the type of person that they would try to ram down our throats. For shame on McCain. He has about as much patriotism as a worm. How dare he? How dare she have the audacity to think she can convince anyone but the most ignorant, that she can handle a VP position? A patriotic, dignified woman would have declined the offer and admitted that it was way too soon for her to throw her hat into the ring, if ever! She is an ignorant, ego-maniac and it can't be soon enough that we see the last of her!
Where is McCains plan for keeping jobs in america? As far as I know, he wants to EXPAND the movement of jobs overseas. Thats what free-trade is all about! In China, when workers decide to organize against their employers, the heavy foot of the socialist chinese government comes down on them. In China, the lack of worker safety and environmental laws keeps the price of manufacturing so low, the US can't compete. McCain doesn't address this at all, Obama does. I haven't heard McCain once talk about trade regulation (he's the deregulator, remember???).
And I agree with you on the housing market, but many people who defaulted on their mortage ended up doing so because they lost their jobs. Many were tech workers who once were making 60-70k doing highly skilled programming work who had their jobs sent over-seas by the likes of Carly Fiorina (McCains top economic advisor) and ended up having to take jobs that paid considerably less.
Thanks for going into mccains stance on the issue....I never doubted for a minute that he was 'soft' on outsourcing. His priorities do not lie with the american middle class -- but I was also wondering about obamas, as biden didn't make that clear. I suspect that on this issue, both obama and mccain hold similiar views. And that is a damn shame.
But yeah, some people are in bad financial shape not due to irresponsibility, but to bad luck. And I feel for them -- that can and does happen to anyone. But not all failing mortgages are due to that.
I see. So you SUPPORT people getting in WAY over their heads and buying homes they can't afford? Since when is the American Dream to own a bloody McMansion?
There are many MANY people living in areas like ours (which happens to be Long Island, NY, but the same situation applies in most if not all of the Northeast) where there literally is NO SUCH THING as a house that sells for 100K. Or even 200K. And for 300K you get a 'handyman special', 'needs TLC', or whatever other euphemism you care to use for something that is literally falling apart and is in an undesirable neighborhood as well. In this neck of the woods, for 400K you only get a perhaps 1200 sq.ft house in original condition from the 1960s or early 1970s, on a 1/4 or 1/3 acre lot, needing MAJOR updates and renovations. Not for cosmetic reasons either: for necessity. For anything most people in this country would consider average, you have to pay at least 500K. For a 'McMansion' you will pay 700K .. AND UP. And that is not new construction either, that is an existing home.
You're not seriously suggesting that every middle-income person currently residing in or needing to buy a house in much of the Northeast pack up their belongings, wave goodbye to family and friends, and move to somewhere else in the country (regardless of job prospects, quality of education, or just plain old where you want to spend your life) .... are you?
No one in their right mind supports the idea of people deliberately and irresponsibly putting themselves over their heads in debt. Of course there are many, in ALL economic classes, that have done so. But not everyone who has bought a 300K house or a 500K house or even an 800K house has gone into unmanageable debt to do so.
Palin's blatant wooing of the segment of our society that she so loves to call 'Joe SixPack' (and what, may I ask, about 'Josie SixPack' ..... or isn't there a female equivalent?) and her ignorant comments about housing prices (or perhaps there are tons of 100K homes in Alaska, and a 300K home is something owned only by the uber-rich??), she has done more in 5 weeks to increase the sense of class warfare in this country than any politician in recent memory. Nothing like a nice dose of 'Us versus Them' when we've just recently put the whole racial thing in the campaign to one side or so it seemed.
Last edited by totallyfrazzled; 10-03-2008 at 04:19 PM..
nebulous1, I tried to rep you but I got the "not yet" message. Absolutely fantastic post!!!
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Carly Fiorina (McCains top economic advisor)
