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Old 10-09-2008, 03:57 PM
 
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Earlier this year, Sarah Palin spoke at the
convention of the Alaskan Independence Party, offering them cheery
words and ad expressing her admiration and cheery words including:

"Keep up the good work," she told them.

"And God bless you."

Her husband Todd was a member of the party for seven years.

Sarah Palin addressed AIP conventions repeatedly during her time as
mayor of Wasilla.

Now David Talbot has a piece in Salon about Joe Vogler, the "raging
anti-American" who founded the Alaska Independence Party -- the party
that Todd Palin belonged to for seven years, and that Palin chose to
address just a few months ago.


The party that still considers Sarah Palin one of their own.


Talbot reveals that Vogler, in 1993, arranged with Iran to provide him
with a global pulpit to spew his hatred of the United States:



"My government is my worst enemy. I'm going to fight them with any
means at hand."


Vogler's greatest moment of glory was to be his 1993 appearance before
the United Nations to denounce United States "tyranny" before the
entire world and to demand Alaska's freedom.


The Alaska secessionist had persuaded the government of Iran to
sponsor his anti-American harangue.


That's right ... Iran.


The Islamic dictatorship.


The taker of American hostages.


The rogue nation that McCain and Palin have excoriated Obama for
suggesting we diplomatically engage.


That Iran.


AIP leaders allege that Vogler, who was murdered that year by a fellow
secessionist, was taken out by powerful forces in the U.S. before he
could reach his U.N. platform.


"The United States government would have been deeply embarrassed," by
Vogler's U.N. speech, darkly suggests Clark.


"And we can't have that, can we?"


The next time some news outlet or pundit devotes a second of coverage
to the Ayers nontroversy, ask them why Sarah Palin has not once been
asked about her very recent, very extensive ties to a genuinely
anti-American group.


Heck, seems like something even John McCain should have to address.




Sarah Palin: Palling Around With Secessionists (NEW VIDEO) - The Jed Report
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Old 10-09-2008, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Inner Loop H-town & Austin
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Lol.

republicans are so dumb.
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Old 10-09-2008, 05:02 PM
 
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Where is the outrage from the right about their candidate being a friend and supporter of a domestic terrorist? Oh wait, AK is not part of America therefor he's not "domestic".

Phony outrage. The last refuge of the fading McCain campaign.

I can't wait to see this week's poll numbers. What's going to pink next? Arizona!

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Old 10-09-2008, 05:04 PM
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Location: Wisconsin
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Palin supports domestic terrorist....heck she's really in a "sleeper" cell...she sleeps with a membef of this group.
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Old 10-09-2008, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Seward, Alaska
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Originally Posted by sickofnyc View Post
Earlier this year, Sarah Palin spoke at the
convention of the Alaskan Independence Party, offering them cheery
words and ad expressing her admiration and cheery words including:

"Keep up the good work," she told them.

"And God bless you."

Her husband Todd was a member of the party for seven years.

Sarah Palin addressed AIP conventions repeatedly during her time as
mayor of Wasilla.

Now David Talbot has a piece in Salon about Joe Vogler, the "raging
anti-American" who founded the Alaska Independence Party -- the party
that Todd Palin belonged to for seven years, and that Palin chose to
address just a few months ago.


The party that still considers Sarah Palin one of their own.


Talbot reveals that Vogler, in 1993, arranged with Iran to provide him
with a global pulpit to spew his hatred of the United States:



"My government is my worst enemy. I'm going to fight them with any
means at hand."


Vogler's greatest moment of glory was to be his 1993 appearance before
the United Nations to denounce United States "tyranny" before the
entire world and to demand Alaska's freedom.


The Alaska secessionist had persuaded the government of Iran to
sponsor his anti-American harangue.


That's right ... Iran.


The Islamic dictatorship.


The taker of American hostages.


The rogue nation that McCain and Palin have excoriated Obama for
suggesting we diplomatically engage.


That Iran.


AIP leaders allege that Vogler, who was murdered that year by a fellow
secessionist, was taken out by powerful forces in the U.S. before he
could reach his U.N. platform.


"The United States government would have been deeply embarrassed," by
Vogler's U.N. speech, darkly suggests Clark.


"And we can't have that, can we?"


The next time some news outlet or pundit devotes a second of coverage
to the Ayers nontroversy, ask them why Sarah Palin has not once been
asked about her very recent, very extensive ties to a genuinely
anti-American group.


Heck, seems like something even John McCain should have to address.




Sarah Palin: Palling Around With Secessionists (NEW VIDEO) - The Jed Report
Where in your post does it indicate WHO said that...of Palin? What Palin "pal"? An unknown, obscure AIP Party member makes a statement, and you automatically assume that is how Palin thinks too?
And Joe Vogler has been dead for 15 years...who cares what he thought...
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Old 10-09-2008, 05:08 PM
 
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Where in your post does it indicate WHO said that...of Palin? What Palin "pal"? An unknown, obscure AIP Party member makes a statement, and you automatically assume that is how Palin thinks too?
And Joe Vogler has been dead for 15 years...who cares what he thought...
Interesting concept- so if Bill Ayers was dead now, you guys wouldn't be making a big deal out of Obama's past "associations" with him? I mean, he's dead, so who cares what he thought, right????
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Old 10-09-2008, 05:23 PM
 
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Yeah, we know. Joe Vogler was a character. He was also constitutionally correct in his assessment of Alaska statehood and rightfully angry with the federal government with regards to policy in Alaska.

The Ayers thing is stupid and so is this.

The AIP is pretty strong in Alaska; Palin was just doing what politicians do.
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Old 10-09-2008, 05:25 PM
 
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She was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a group that wants Alaskans to vote on whether they wish to secede from the United States. She’s been registered as a Republican since May 1982.

FactCheck.org: Sliming Palin

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Old 10-09-2008, 05:32 PM
 
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Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3: "No one shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Secessionists are by definition enemies of the United States, aren't they? She didn't have to be a member - she only has to give them aid and comfort.
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Old 10-09-2008, 05:40 PM
 
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These are the objectives of the AIP:

Until we as Alaskans receive our Ultimate Goal, the AIP will continue to strive to make Alaska a better place to live with less government interference in our everyday lives.

The Alaskan Independence Party's goal is the vote we were entitled to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:

1) Remain a Territory.
2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.
3) Accept Commonwealth status.
4) Become a State.

The call for this vote is in furtherance of the dream of the Alaskan Independence Party's founding father, Joe Vogler, which was for Alaskans to achieve independence under a minimal government, fully responsive to the people, promoting a peaceful and lawful means of resolving differences.



They were entitled to vote on this as per the U.S. Constitution in 1958. They have every right to continue to ask for that vote.
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