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Old 10-11-2008, 05:55 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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I've seen a lot of posts today either explaining why McCain wouldn't want to be president, or how Obama will already be tied to the economic crises of the next 4 years.

What is all this about? Did Hannity/Limbaugh decide to throw in the white flag of surrender? Was it McCain having the "backbone" to "stand up to" supporters misinformation during his rallies?

Will those who are so ready to give up show up at the polls next month?
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Old 10-11-2008, 06:02 AM
 
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... or how Obama will already be tied to the economic crises of the next 4 years.
Every problem can be an opportunity. An immense problem can be a challenge to greatness.

For historians, Abe Lincoln and Franklin Roosevelt, are considered by many the greatest Presidents because they overcame the greatest problems of their era, America's Civil War and the Great Depression.

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Old 10-11-2008, 06:44 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Every problem can be an opportunity. An immense problem can be a challenge to greatness.

For historians, Abe Lincoln and Franklin Roosevelt, are considered by many the greatest Presidents because the overcame the greatest problems of their day, the America's Civil War and the Great Depression.
Consider me skeptical but no president can overcome the economic crisis in the next four years. They may be responsible for bills that eventually stabilize the markets, but they are inheriting the worst financial situation that any president has ever faced. Our top economists are stumped at this point. Whatever solution gets enacted it wont likely have any impact during the next administration.

Not to minimize the impact that the Presidents you mentioned had but we are in the first global economic crisis ever. The world isn't flat anymore. Whoever ends up in charge needs to be able to handle a crisis that is filled with unknowns. I don't hold either candidate responsible, nor do I expect them to solve this crisis.
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Old 10-11-2008, 06:49 AM
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We are discouraged by so many people who think a socialist candidate has the answers to our problems. Whatever the problem, socialism is not the answer. True Americans can weather hard times by pulling in the belt just a little. Yes, I will vote and only once. I just hope only American citizens are allowed to vote. Discouraged, yes; but give up, NEVER!
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Old 10-11-2008, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Consider me skeptical but no president can overcome the economic crisis in the next four years. They may be responsible for bills that eventually stabilize the markets, but they are inheriting the worst financial situation that any president has ever faced. Our top economists are stumped at this point. Whatever solution gets enacted it wont likely have any impact during the next administration.

Not to minimize the impact that the Presidents you mentioned had but we are in the first global economic crisis ever. The world isn't flat anymore. Whoever ends up in charge needs to be able to handle a crisis that is filled with unknowns. I don't hold either candidate responsible, nor do I expect them to solve this crisis.
You're probably right. One thing I consider important is one candidate has prepared himself in a methodical thoughtful manner, and surrounded himself with those who have expertise directly related to the problem. He has also shown a much stronger ability to control the bully pulpit which will be critical to shaping public perception as we move through this.
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Old 10-11-2008, 07:02 AM
 
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i think that most americans are tired of bigger government and we will see how that plays out on election day. i don't like everything about my candidate, but i am willing to bet that obama supporters do not like everything about their candidate either, and this is not a popularity contest. i personally am voting for the candidate who represents smaller government and i am voting to throw out all incumbents who voted for the bailout bill.
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Old 10-11-2008, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Home is where the heart is
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You're probably right. One thing I consider important is one candidate has prepared himself in a methodical thoughtful manner, and surrounded himself with those who have expertise directly related to the problem. He has also shown a much stronger ability to control the bully pulpit which will be critical to shaping public perception as we move through this.
Nicely stated. "Bully pulpit" describes it perfectly.
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Old 10-11-2008, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Obama now leads McCain on the economy and jobs (54 percent to 35 percent); on the Iraq war (47 percent to 46 percent); on energy policy and gas prices (53 percent to 36 percent); on health care (56 percent to 30 percent); on taxes and government spending (50 percent to 39 percent); on the financial problems of Wall Street and the mortgage crisis (50 percent to 34 percent); and on issues like abortion, guns and same-sex marriage (46 percent to 39 percent). - Newsweek Poll
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Old 10-11-2008, 07:07 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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We are discouraged by so many people who think a socialist candidate has the answers to our problems. Whatever the problem, socialism is not the answer. True Americans can weather hard times by pulling in the belt just a little. Yes, I will vote and only once. I just hope only American citizens are allowed to vote. Discouraged, yes; but give up, NEVER!
John McCain voted for a bailout of wall street that costs taxpayers 700,000,000,000.00 dollars.

John McCain proposed further spending last week to bailout banks for another 300,000,000,000.00 dollars with his "housing resurgence plan"

John McCains total bailout package starts at 1,000,000,000,000.00 dollars of taxpayers money.

John McCain has advocated more socialistic spending programs in this election then every previous president (R or D) ever has. John McCain's wall street bailout programs exceed Barack Obama's health care and other "handout" programs by 100,000,000,000.00's of dollars. But somehow John McCain will cut taxes on those who benefit from his 100,000,000,000,000.00 dollar programs and expect the working class to benefit. The voter will ultimately decide, I think that John McCain is a flip-flop who is the real socialist and has no idea how to run a global economy in this election.

Please if you have any arguments to support the claim that Obama is more of a socialist then McCain please provide them.
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Old 10-11-2008, 07:08 AM
 
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you again are stating your case based on polls. i do not consider polls valid. i consider election results valid and am willing to live with whatever those results may be. i feel that i am personally prepared no matter which candidate gets elected.
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