Why would anyone middle class vote McCain, who clearly supports the plutocracy, while Obama supports the working class (patriot, campaign)

[MovingForward]

Originally Posted by ShoppingCartLaw

You don't have an American Dream. Your dream stops at where you are at.

You didn't answer my question. Who is "they"?

[ShoppingCartLaw]

Originally Posted by LML

Yesterday they announced that they will be closing the GM plant in Janesville, WI right before Christmas. That is the oldest GM plant still in operation in the U.S. It is 4 million square feet big. At one time this plant employed over 7000 people and was the life blood of the commuity. These are the working people who finally made it to the point that they believed themselves to be the "middle class." They made a decent living, had good benefits, owned their own houses, sent their kids to college. They had achieved the American Dream. And, having achieved it, they did a foolish thing. They voted against their own best interest and they lost it all. See, they listened to the republican rhetoric. They had good family values and they believed the republicans when they said they were the party of family values. They worked hard for their money and they believed the republican rhetoric that the democrats just wanted to take their hard earned money and give it all away to a bunch of lazy bums on welfare. They were loyal Americans and they believed the republican rhetoric that democrats were anti-American. They like their guns and hunting and they believed the republican rhetoric that the democrats would take their guns. So they voted republican. And they watched as the republicans gave tax breaks to companies shipping their jobs overseas. They watched while other countries put enormous tarrifs on American cars brought into their countries while our country made imports of other countries cars into our country easy as pie. And since those countries provided national health care while our country refused to do so, the insurance cost added to the cost of the cars and made them less competitive. They watched while the republicans gave all the tax breaks to the richest people in the world and pushed the tax burden over on the working people. And now they are facing Christmas without a job and no prospects of a family supporting job if things continue as they have. These same people who voted republican to keep others from getting food stamps are now signing up for food stamps themselves. This same story has been repeated all over America now. People who bought the republican rhetoric and voted against their best interest are waking up today to the old truism. "If you want to live like a republican you have to vote democratic."

GM should have been bankrupt a long time ago. These are AMERICAN MADE cars which nobody buys because of POOR QUALITY!!!!!!

The SOCIALIST education in the USA results in POOR education which translates to POOR QUALITY design and products.

[ShoppingCartLaw]

Originally Posted by MovingForward

You didn't answer my question. Who is "they"?

Do you mean, "Who are they?" YOU and people like you.

[MovingForward]

Originally Posted by ShoppingCartLaw

Do you mean, "Who are they?" YOU and people like you.

I just told you that I work and I don't ask for handouts. So how could I be the "they" you refer to?

Never mind. I think we both know who "they" is, don't we? The nonwhite and the poor. Who, in your warped world, are all ciphering off the ever-burdened, preyed-upon white folks.

You really do need to get an education.

[ShoppingCartLaw]

Originally Posted by MovingForward

I just told you that I work and I don't ask for handouts. So how could I be the "they" you refer to?

Never mind. I think we both know who "they" is, don't we? The nonwhite and the poor. Who, in your warped world, are all ciphering off the ever-burdened, preyed-upon white folks.

You really do need to get an education.

THEY also includes MIDDLE CLASS people who do not have BIG dreams.

Meaning they are satisfied with where they are. They don't want to be an executive making $250K a year. They don't want to own a business that makes $1M. They are just satisfied with where they are at.... there are no further big dreams. Or their dreams are not very high. That's it for them until they die.

Any tax credit would be a welcome addition to their paychecks. They won't be complaining because they are not going to work 12-20 hour days to make more than $250K anyhow. That was never part of their dream.

The highlighted above is a personal attack and is a violation. I am probably 3 times more educated than you are.

[gbear48]

More "McCain is the same as Bush " stuff:

Originally Posted by freefall

Why would anyone middle class vote McCain, who clearly supports the plutocracy, while Obama supports the working class

After all , it is the best the Left has to offer.

[Jerseyt719]

Originally Posted by NewMexicanRepublican

It works for me. I'm practicing to be a Democrat in case Obama wins. If it works for me, its good for me. The heck with the rest of you. It's all about me!

You're acting like Obama now.....

[momonkey]

Originally Posted by freefall

Why would anyone middle class vote McCain, who clearly supports the plutocracy, while Obama supports the working class

Older voters like myself (46) have heard this line of crap before. To young people he's exciting, fresh, different. OK, slow down a minute. If you read his plans, as I have, and compare them to the democratic platforms of the past, their is no real difference. It doesn't really matter anyway because we're broke. He can't pay for any of this stuff he's proposing without raising taxes which will blow up what's left of the economy. OPEC has us by the short hairs. We're in a war over oil that we cannot afford to let go because nobody wants to punch a hole in mother Earth. Iran is building Nuclear weapons, and they'll use them. It's not a question of if, but when. It's all gonna' hit the fan here pretty soon. He can make all the great speeches he wants to, but that doesn't change anything except the mind of an uninformed voter. No offense intended.

By the way, I'm an auto mechanic by trade. Little work for mechanics here in Michigan so I picked up a couple part-time gigs. I had to rent the main floor of my house out to my sister who lost her house last year. Now I live in my own basement. It's the only way for me to stay in my house. My utility bills are obscene, gas kills me and even food is a problem. But we've been here before. In 1976 the economy was in similar shape. The rising cost of fuel was pushing the price of everything else up too. Unemployment was on the rise and the cost of borrowing money was increasing. Sound familiar yet? Well we had just come out of the Watergate scandal and wanted a new Democratic president. After Nixon and Ford, we wanted change. Well we got it alright. Raising taxes will put us right back in the soup. Tax and spend just doesn't work.

• Carter: Interest rate, 21%. Inflation, 13.5%. Unemployment, 7%. The so-called “Misery Index,” which Carter used to great effect in his 1976 campaign to win election, 20.5%.

• Reagan’s last year: Interest rate, 9%. Inflation, 4.1%. Unemployment, 5.5%. Misery Index, 9.6%

•Bush today: Interest rate, 4.5%. Inflation, 5.5%. Unemployment, 6.1%. Misery Index, 11.6%.

[ZGACK]

Originally Posted by freefall

Why would anyone middle class vote McCain, who clearly supports the plutocracy, while Obama supports the working class

I vote my interests and voting for Obama is definitely NOT in my interest. I and those like me pay 80% of the tax burden in this country and now this Marxist wants us to pay even more. And why? Because in Obama's eyes, and those who support him, the money and profits I earn through my creativity and risk taking are deemed excessive and unfair. What's unfair is having to pay for people to sit on their asses waiting for their welfare check. Note: if Obama is elected I'll be firing approximately 1/3 of my employees on November 5th. All to be able to afford Obama's 'fairness.'

[Bulldawgfan]

Originally Posted by momonkey

• Carter: Interest rate, 21%. Inflation, 13.5%. Unemployment, 7%. The so-called “Misery Index,” which Carter used to great effect in his 1976 campaign to win election, 20.5%.

• Reagan’s last year: Interest rate, 9%. Inflation, 4.1%. Unemployment, 5.5%. Misery Index, 9.6%

•Bush today: Interest rate, 8%. Inflation, 5.5%. Unemployment, 6.1%. Misery Index, 11.6%.

I found it funny, when researching this data, that I found your data skewed at best. Instead of looking at Reagan's last year, lets look at his whole term. Just like Carter and Bush.


Jimmy Carter 1977 - 1980 16.27

Ronald Reagan 1981 - 1988 12.19

George W. Bush 2001 - 2007 7.89


And I noticed you did not compare the Clinton years

William J. Clinton 1993 - 2000 7.80

Nor did you mention the presidents with the best misery index. The lower three indexes are two Democrats and one Republican.