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Old 10-31-2012, 03:35 PM
 
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Wouldn't it be great if the Federal Government had to run to the states to beg for money rather than the other way around? That's how it was before the income tax.
Ah we tried that, it didn't work.
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Old 10-31-2012, 03:37 PM
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A partial cause of the Civil War was the Electoral College. The jist of it was the Northern states with much higher populations were able to dominate the entire country's politics. The South only seceded after the election results clearly drew the lines. Both regions had different economies, and the Northeast never thought of the ramifications of huge cotton export taxes, nor did they believe they were wrong in forcing politics that worked for their lifestyle on those in the South. This is why the Confederate Constitution emphasized State's Rights over anything else.
The only state right that the Confederacy was concerned about was what they thought was their divine right to buy and sell other people. The Civil War was about slavery, attempts to dress it up with the state's rights crap are appalling.
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Old 10-31-2012, 05:07 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Wouldn't it be great if the Federal Government had to run to the states to beg for money rather than the other way around? That's how it was before the income tax.
Before the Constitution, you mean. And it didn't work... which was one of the reasons the Constitution was written.
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Old 01-25-2015, 10:00 PM
 
Location: West of Louisiana, East of New Mexico
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The electoral college favors large states with a near 50/50 Democrat & Republican split. Larger states that appear to lean heavily on one side (Texas, New York etc.) get hurt the most.

Candidates rarely campaign where I live (TX) because it's a foregone conclusion that the state will vote for the G.O.P. Demographically, we could certainly push toward a 50/50 split, but the apathy keeps many voters at home.
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Old 01-26-2015, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Default Why do we still use the Electoral College system?

Because it's the law.

A law that should be changed. Every other office at every other level is decided by vote count. The presidency should be no exception.
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Old 01-26-2015, 08:16 AM
 
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We need it for obvious reasons. The Electoral College is an ingenious system if you ask me.
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Old 01-27-2015, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Cali
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Before the Constitution, you mean. And it didn't work... which was one of the reasons the Constitution was written.
The Constitution was written in 1787, income tax did not come until 1913.
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Old 01-27-2015, 10:43 AM
 
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Does that matter? Why shouldn't the most highly populated states make the decision? Those are the people that will be most affected by government.
It matters because elections aren't just about who wins. Elections are conversations between the people and the candidates. Elections are an opportunity for people not just to quiz a candidate about what he proposes to do when in office, but to tell the candidates what their concerns and priorities are. Essentially, the most highly populated states do make the decision, but the electoral college's small bit of influence helps to keep the more rural areas involved in the conversation.

While people focus on dissolving the electoral college, which isn't a problem, they should focus on the real problems. The primary system needs to be reworked, so that Iowa and New Hampshire aren't so influential. We should have regional primaries that rotate on a schedule, so that one year the first primaries are held in the Pacific Northwest, the next year they are held in the Upper Midwest, the next year they are held in New England, and so on. And we need to address the growing problem with the disconnect between the people and their elected representatives by getting rid of the 435 cap on the number of representatives. That would allow the electoral college to more equitably distribute electors. The current cap distorts that.

And state laws determine how the electors will vote. Not federal law. The winner-take-all system is designed to empower the two primary parties, and if we want a more open system, that has to be addressed.
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Old 01-28-2015, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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I rarely post in the political forums but I had to ask some of you this question.

In this day and age why does America still depend on the Electoral College system instead of popular vote? Any thoughts?
Old habits are hard to break I guess. It's past due for the Electoral College to be eliminated...
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Old 01-28-2015, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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It matters because elections aren't just about who wins. Elections are conversations between the people and the candidates. Elections are an opportunity for people not just to quiz a candidate about what he proposes to do when in office, but to tell the candidates what their concerns and priorities are. Essentially, the most highly populated states do make the decision, but the electoral college's small bit of influence helps to keep the more rural areas involved in the conversation.

While people focus on dissolving the electoral college, which isn't a problem, they should focus on the real problems. The primary system needs to be reworked, so that Iowa and New Hampshire aren't so influential. We should have regional primaries that rotate on a schedule, so that one year the first primaries are held in the Pacific Northwest, the next year they are held in the Upper Midwest, the next year they are held in New England, and so on. And we need to address the growing problem with the disconnect between the people and their elected representatives by getting rid of the 435 cap on the number of representatives. That would allow the electoral college to more equitably distribute electors. The current cap distorts that.

And state laws determine how the electors will vote. Not federal law. The winner-take-all system is designed to empower the two primary parties, and if we want a more open system, that has to be addressed.
Elections are a process that allows the people to have a say so in who represents them by means of a democratic vote. The Electoral College is a system that's out dated and needs to be replace immediately.

Regarding the primaries, they should just have all votes cast on the same day...
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