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"We put those contributions there so as to give the contributors a legal, moral, and political right to collect their pensions and their unemployment benefits. With those taxes in there, no damn politician can ever scrap my social security program." - President Roosevelt
What Socialism programs do you suggest we eliminate? Schools, Fire, Social Security.....
Honestly, I would like to remove most of them. I think most things should be privatized. Ive worked within various government systems and they are bloated, disorganized, bureaucratically slow and often more corrupt than private organizations.
I think that if you are going to have "socialized" systems only in its most basic sense, that it be organized at the local level. Let the sum of the people where all are involved and can have a direct say in its workings be responsible for it. That is, let localities decide. They are the true people of the nation and their voice will be heard at a smaller level as such.
Let the small town higher a private fire department and contract it to the people. The same with the police, under a contract to the people only governed by the basic level of protections and rights of both the federal and state constitutions. Let the people keep an eye on their record and fire them when they fail to perform the duties that they contracted the people with. Let them truly be responsible to the people and not protected by sly government fallback and escape plans. Let true enterprise drive the success and advancement of the system.
The Federal government is like a blundering bully that pays no need to the small voices and attempts to apply "one size fits all" principals to all the people. It does not know me, it has no understanding of me, it has no concern for me, it should have no say over me.
Honestly, I would like to remove most of them. I think most things should be privatized. Ive worked within various government systems and they are bloated, disorganized, bureaucratically slow and often more corrupt than private organizations.
I think that if you are going to have "socialized" systems only in its most basic sense, that it be organized at the local level. Let the sum of the people where all are involved and can have a direct say in its workings be responsible for it. That is, let localities decide. They are the true people of the nation and their voice will be heard at a smaller level as such.
Let the small town higher a private fire department and contract it to the people. The same with the police, under a contract to the people only governed by the basic level of protections and rights of both the federal and state constitutions. Let the people keep an eye on their record and fire them when they fail to perform the duties that they contracted the people with. Let them truly be responsible to the people and not protected by sly government fallback and escape plans. Let true enterprise drive the success and advancement of the system.
The Federal government is like a blundering bully that pays no need to the small voices and attempts to apply "one size fits all" principals to all the people. It does not know me, it has no understanding of me, it has no concern for me, it should have no say over me.
I agree. Unfortunately, many 'Republicans' love the idea of privatizing everything, 'making the private profit and the risk public'. THIS IS SOCIALISM.
I agree. Unfortunately, many 'Republicans' love the idea of privatizing everything, 'making the private profit and the risk public'. THIS IS SOCIALISM.
You won't get an argument form me that republicans have been doing some of their own in this area, but lets be honest, while the republican's do this at times and I admit the party has become more liberal than I care for, the only other option is a party who completely and without a doubt holds to this ideal as Obama stated or a third party that doesn't have a chance in hell of getting elected.
If you think the democratic party isn't as socialist, controlling, and liberal as they come, then you are spending too much time watching the national news when it should be spent on CSPAN and at the Library of Congress.
While the republican party is waste deep into it, the democratic party is up to its ears in it.
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In the end though, all of them will be doing it. This won't change though if people keep looking to the government as a source of income or a solver of their problems. The only way we are going to get small government and to the level of self managed policy I mentioned is if we cut them off. We as states have this power to do so. The only reason states fold is because they have become too dependent on the feds and anytime an issue comes up where the state tries to stand against the feds, the feds pull out the loan book and point out how much the state is dependent.
If the states begin to ween themselves off of the teet of government, cutting back on the programs, cutting back on the reliance and building more localized systems where the people have the power again, then eventually the state will be able to look to the feds and tell them to go get bent. The people have to want to do this, but when they are too busy looking for their hand out, it will never happen.
You keep twisting it that hard and you are likely to pop its head off. Cut it up anyway you like it, Obama supports socialism. While we have aspects of socialism in our nation and it should be cut out, taking the position of "well, billy did it" is nothing short of an excuse of the facts.
Just admit it, you want socialism, you like the idea of using the government to get money. It is a safe way to steal money from the people without ever having to be responsible for it. Admit it, Obama did.
Amazing words... after we just allocated nearly a $Trillion dollars on Wall St. bailout. Irony....
Just admit it, you want socialism, you like the idea of using the government to get money. It is a safe way to steal money from the people without ever having to be responsible for it. Admit it, Obama did.
I hope you don't mind but I would like to comment on this...
I hear this point a view a lot from McCain supporters and I have a real issue with it.
I do NOT want socialism!!! I am NOT looking for any hand outs! In fact I am doing fine. I have money in the bank, and owe nothing but my house. (No CC payments or even car payments) I am truly middle class (make less than 100K) and love Obama's plan. I do NOT call it redistribution of wealth, I call it FAIR! I have a real issue with rich people simply not paying their fair share. This also includes Social Security. (The cap should be raised!)
Bottom line, you make more money, you should pay more taxes! The way it is now, the more you make, the more breaks you get.
I would even go as far as saying we should have a flat tax. In other words, not matter how much you make, you pay a set percentage.
You won't get an argument form me that republicans have been doing some of their own in this area, but lets be honest, while the republican's do this at times and I admit the party has become more liberal than I care for, the only other option is a party who completely and without a doubt holds to this ideal as Obama stated or a third party that doesn't have a chance in hell of getting elected.
If you think the democratic party isn't as socialist, controlling, and liberal as they come, then you are spending too much time watching the national news when it should be spent on CSPAN and at the Library of Congress.
While the republican party is waste deep into it, the democratic party is up to its ears in it.
If I have to choose between the National Socialists (Republicans) and the Liberal Socialists (Democrats), I'll stick with the liberal socialists. Because I'm not a military contractor, a CEO or Wall Street banker, I might actually get something back for the taxes I pay. Spoken by someone who volunteered and contributed to the Paul campaign.
I hate the idea of using the government to get money. In fact, if you look at my past posts, you'll see that I am a Paul supporter. I was a Goldwater style Republican- small government and personal freedoms. We pay too many taxes, I agree. But in THIS election, you have the choice of using your tax dollars to bailout Wall Street, defense contractors, corporations, NAFTA or use your tax dollars to fund education, research and small businesses. Given those two choices, I pick Obama.
But Obama did vote for the bailout for Wall Street and is committed to global trade like NAFTA. So the difference between the candidates blurs a little using your measure of choice.
Honestly, I would like to remove most of them. I think most things should be privatized. Ive worked within various government systems and they are bloated, disorganized, bureaucratically slow and often more corrupt than private organizations.
I think that if you are going to have "socialized" systems only in its most basic sense, that it be organized at the local level. Let the sum of the people where all are involved and can have a direct say in its workings be responsible for it. That is, let localities decide. They are the true people of the nation and their voice will be heard at a smaller level as such.
Let the small town higher a private fire department and contract it to the people. The same with the police, under a contract to the people only governed by the basic level of protections and rights of both the federal and state constitutions. Let the people keep an eye on their record and fire them when they fail to perform the duties that they contracted the people with. Let them truly be responsible to the people and not protected by sly government fallback and escape plans. Let true enterprise drive the success and advancement of the system.
The Federal government is like a blundering bully that pays no need to the small voices and attempts to apply "one size fits all" principals to all the people. It does not know me, it has no understanding of me, it has no concern for me, it should have no say over me.
Whether these functions are outsourced as you suggest, or not, they still need to be paid for through taxes or some other mechanism.
...we do it everyday. The very act of taxation spreads the wealth- to other people, corporations, other countries.
Under a Neocon Republican administration, the wealth is spread to big business, Wall Street, defense contractors and the richest Americans.
Under a Democratic administration, the wealth is spread to people, in the form of education, social services and research.
If I have to pay taxes, and neither candidate (unlike Paul) has any intent to really shrink government and taxes), I'll take my chance with the people. I'm tired of 'spreading the wealth' to Haliburton and Wall Street.
This is simply NOT true. If you think for one minute that there are not democrats in big business you are blind. Here are just a few of the MULTI-MILLIONAIRES that are democrats.
John Edwards
Ted Kenndey
Hilary Clinton
John Kerry (Wife CEO/Owner Heniz)
Jon Corzine ( Goldman Sachs, CEO)
Jeffrey R. Immelt (CEO GE)
Richard Fuld (CEO Lehman Brothers)
All of these and there are MANY more are democrats with millions some of them were or are the CEO's of those big businesses you speak of. So all the tax dollars you say Republicans give to "big business" is going to the Dems. So please stop with the Republicans = "the Rich" and Democrats = "the Poor" because it is crap.
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Irony....
