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It's been a long time in coming, but I honestly think the Republican Party may split following this election. Although the US has a "tradition" of being a two-party system, there's no requirement for it. Since we're not a Parliamentary Democracy breaking up one of the two kind of dooms it to years in the wilderness.
That said, like the idea of adding more states (another thread, another day) the time may be ripe for the "old" Republican Party to go away. I know there's a few books in recent print about how the Republican Party can "come back", but I have my doubts.
Let's assume that McCain/Palin loses. Anyone who thinks that Palin was just some random nobody who's name McCain pulled from a hat is nuts. She's got the bit in her mouth now and she'll start her "Saracuda 2012" campaign committee before she gets on a plane back to Wasilla.
This pits her end of the evangelicals; flat earth, anti-science, disallow any education beyond 8th grade, squarely against the Mike Huckabee end. I've got some problems with Huck, but if he were leading the ticket today Palin would not be on it, and this would be a battle royal.
Then you've got the "old line money" part of the party, led by Romney. I know his money is newer, but it's that wing of the party. He can peel off a lot of folks, and there's no way he could align himself with the evgelicals.
Guiliani is the last of the holdouts of the "screw the little guy and make sure my gang and I get everything" wing of the party. So Rumsfeld, Cheney (if he's still alive), and a few others get peeled off there.
I'm pretty sure there were some more idiots on the stage for the debates, but (thankfully) my mind has blanked them out.
Anyone else want to chime in here? I'd be glad to hear what you have to say, as long as you don't start calling me a racist for posting this.
there is no reason to believe palin will run for the nomination. even if she does, giuliani and paul have a better chance at it.
i think more realistically obama will start the socialist movement or the "orange democratic party" like his cousin in kenya.
guiliani has made new york one of the safest cities in the US. last i checked democratic mayors arent doing to well. how is detroit? chicago? how about the governors there? ilinois is on its 2nd governor and is under investigation too. rediculous.
democratic crooks everywhere. i hope to god that mccain makes in office and cleans house of all the crooks.
Last edited by brokerdave; 10-17-2008 at 04:55 PM..
It's been a long time in coming, but I honestly think the Republican Party may split following this election. Although the US has a "tradition" of being a two-party system, there's no requirement for it. Since we're not a Parliamentary Democracy breaking up one of the two kind of dooms it to years in the wilderness.
That said, like the idea of adding more states (another thread, another day) the time may be ripe for the "old" Republican Party to go away. I know there's a few books in recent print about how the Republican Party can "come back", but I have my doubts.
Let's assume that McCain/Palin loses. Anyone who thinks that Palin was just some random nobody who's name McCain pulled from a hat is nuts. She's got the bit in her mouth now and she'll start her "Saracuda 2012" campaign committee before she gets on a plane back to Wasilla.
This pits her end of the evangelicals; flat earth, anti-science, disallow any education beyond 8th grade, squarely against the Mike Huckabee end. I've got some problems with Huck, but if he were leading the ticket today Palin would not be on it, and this would be a battle royal.
Then you've got the "old line money" part of the party, led by Romney. I know his money is newer, but it's that wing of the party. He can peel off a lot of folks, and there's no way he could align himself with the evgelicals.
Guiliani is the last of the holdouts of the "screw the little guy and make sure my gang and I get everything" wing of the party. So Rumsfeld, Cheney (if he's still alive), and a few others get peeled off there.
I'm pretty sure there were some more idiots on the stage for the debates, but (thankfully) my mind has blanked them out.
Anyone else want to chime in here? I'd be glad to hear what you have to say, as long as you don't start calling me a racist for posting this.
golfgod
Great post and once again ahead of the curve thinking on your part. You have a great knack for being a thinker and not one who just reacts impulsively but thinks first. Your style is a lot like Obama in that you weigh information and make informed statements. Many are like McCain impulsive and loving the Hail Mary thread.
You can already see the seeds of. They are distancing themselves from Bush and there is a wing that thinks McCain made a major mistake with Palin. If she has a feature face in the party you may well see moderates looking elsewhere.
Groundhog Day - The Atlantic (October 2008)
One of the more pressing questions facing today’s staggering, flailing Republican Party, oddly enough, is which Democratic Party it most resembles: the party of 2004 or the party of 1980? For a GOP torn between retrenchment and renewal, between trying to hold the Reagan coalition together and blowing it up and starting over, the answer makes all the difference in the world.
The above is from the link. Shows you are a learned poster.
The seeds of a split within the Republican Party has been germinating for years as the no-nothing fundi-Christian jihadist have replaced the truly capable and intelligent leaders of the conservative movement. Look at the exile of the Paul O'Neils, the Lincoln Chaffees, the Chuck Hagels, the Christopher Buckleys and the Kathleen Parkers. These are real conservatives who actually have brains and policy ideas which truly reach across the political aisle.
The Republican Party itself is the creation of an ideological schism that arose in the 19th Century, there is no reason to believe that the present emerging ideological schism couldn't lead to the creation of another conservative, yet enlightened, party.
It's been a long time in coming, but I honestly think the Republican Party may split following this election. ...
Then you've got the "old line money" part of the party, led by Romney. I know his money is newer, but it's that wing of the party. He can peel off a lot of folks, and there's no way he could align himself with the evgelicals.
OK, my first question is, who do the rich guys support? Romney the Mormon? Nope, because the former is a WASP and WASP-friendly group of old money types and their hangers-on. Giuliani or similar? Maybe, to the extent that "similar" is explicitly friendly to Dept of Defense.
Longer term, it is the extreme religious section of the party that is likely to peel off. Over the last decade or so, they have become increasingly shrill, come up with BS like creationism, are anti-science/progress, are blinded completely by (their version) of faith, etc. They represent the basest of the base.
If their extremist section peels off, some independents might actually re-join the Republican party - especially if the party starts to show fiscal responsibility. You hear many Republicans say that the party left them. People like Republican ex-gov of NJ Christie Whitman have written books (Christine Todd Whitman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) about "taking the party back" from the extreme arm.
All this split talk assumes a landslide for Democrats in the coming elections and again in 4 years. If elections are close this time around, there will not be much talk of splits.
The only way the Republican Party will survive is if it does something to chase out the religious right and the radical fringe groups. If it doesn't do that they are going to drive the every day average Republican to become Independents and lean Democratic. I don't think any of the current third parties would get most of the displaced Republicans, either.
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