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the slow march to socialism is actually more of a backward trek. We did this in the 1960's and1970's.....lets not forget what that got us.
and to be honest, the socalism of Barak Obama is much less about his tax plan than it is about his spending plan.
Barak funabmentally believes in taking money from the successfull and giving it to those that arent. He sees that as a function of social justice.
It's very good that a majority of Americans don't want to live in the world that you envision. You should go live with John Galt and comfort your selfish soul. Go find the Wild West society that you crave.
The rest of us want a safety net. The rest of us want to see kids of undocumented workers getting good health care and a good education. The rest of us want to live in a world where one layoff and one health disaster don't ruin our kid's chances to go to college. The rest of us want to see our parents living a long and happy life on their own, rather than in our spare bedrooms.
If you're going to live in our society, you have to pay your share of the civilization tax. I'm glad that there are people with guns who will force you to pay it, as your conscience doesn't seem up to the task.
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taxing wealthy more and giving that money to everyone is socialism. it is not a simple tax and use for a program for the improvement of a government program. please stay on target.
You have no idea what you are talking about. You don't have the first sense of what Socialism really is.
Socialism is collective government ownership of the means of production. Government owns the factories, the coal plants, auto plants, etc. What you are talking about is social welfare, something different.
I realize that the Palin-loving "joe 6-packs" out there don't like "dat book learn'in" but it might help your cause if you just took a little time and thought about what you are saying and maybe even doing a little "read'in" about the subject before you spout out the standard right-wing lunatic talking points.
Do you think that people who work in low paid jobs or even have two low paid jobs but still can't afford health care are "spongers"? Do you think that people who frisk their companies for $40,000,0000 bonuses and need Govt bailouts are not "spongers"? which is it?
Do you think using the extremes is a valid way to frame the argument?
I certainly didnt say anthing about "spongers"
And I think it is wonderful to see someone bust their butt to make ends meet even when doing so doesnt provide them with an above poverty level wage.
That doesnt mean I think the Government ought to supplement them.
in 1995 I made about five thousand dollars. That was the same year I got married. my wife really out did me. She made about seven bucks an hour that year if memory serves.
We LIVED IT. I have been there I know what its like. and NO THANK YOU I didnt want a hand out from the government. we didnt even want a hand up from our parents. We wanted to make it on our own.
and we did that. we made it by our own hard work and sweat and willingness to do without until we achieved.
What I dont want is for the government to rob people of that tenacity by giving them a hand out and making it easy to exist at that level
The reason is because I know full well that our story is NOT unique! Our story is the American story! It is repeated every day, every year in this country. But we have full proof that when the government steps in to help the poor, in the end what happens is, 5 generations later, that same family is still poor and still relying on government.
It's very good that a majority of Americans don't want to live in the world that you envision. You should go live with John Galt and comfort your selfish soul. Go find the Wild West society that you crave.
The rest of us want a safety net. The rest of us want to see kids of undocumented workers getting good health care and a good education. The rest of us want to live in a world where one layoff and one health disaster don't ruin our kid's chances to go to college. The rest of us want to see our parents living a long and happy life on their own, rather than in our spare bedrooms.
If you're going to live in our society, you have to pay your share of the civilization tax. I'm glad that there are people with guns who will force you to pay it, as your conscience doesn't seem up to the task.
bitter arent you? dont like the fact that there are still some of us out here who think the best help you can give a person is to tell them to go get a job?
Well once again we have an extremeist who wont face some really clear truth.
First fact. There isnt a soul in this country that is precluded from getting a college education because they are too poor.
That is a balled faced lie meant to make people respond without using the thing God placed up between their shoulders and right above their mouth.
And before you make your accusations, you might attempt to find out a fact or two. Like the fact that I have elderly parents that I AM HELPING NOW.
The difference between you and I is that I think it is my JOB to help my parents and NOT some unnamed rich guy down the street.
And I believe as every conservative does that there needs to be some social safty net. What we dont agree with is that the safty net become more than a safty net. Because when that happens it TRAPS people in government created POVERTY.
Live in your society. LOL! my freind, the ONLY reason you can make that kind of statement is because people like me are willing to live in your society and suffer the indinaty of your selfishness. YOUR society will create a class of government poor that will suck you clean.
But rest assured, I will still go to work and I will still pay my taxes....
and by the way I have one of those guns too... and I live in texas... yee ha you liberal.
bitter arent you? dont like the fact that there are still some of us out here who think the best help you can give a person is to tell them to go get a job?
I don't have legs. What kind of job can I get?
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Well once again we have an extremeist who wont face some really clear truth.
I don't know what this is in reference to so I won't reply.
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First fact. There isnt a soul in this country that is precluded from getting a college education because they are too poor.
This may be true but middle class families that make too much for financial aid must go into debt in order to receive a college education.
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That is a balled faced lie meant to make people respond without using the thing God placed up between their shoulders and right above their mouth.
You must know some funny looking people. Balled faces and mouths between shoulders.
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And before you make your accusations, you might attempt to find out a fact or two. Like the fact that I have elderly parents that I AM HELPING NOW.
I don't know what this is in reference to so I won't reply.
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The difference between you and I is that I think it is my JOB to help my parents and NOT some unnamed rich guy down the street.
Who wants to help the rich guy down the street?
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And I believe as every conservative does that there needs to be some social safty net. What we dont agree with is that the safty net become more than a safty net. Because when that happens it TRAPS people in government created POVERTY.
Could you elaborate more?
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Live in your society. LOL! my freind, the ONLY reason you can make that kind of statement is because people like me are willing to live in your society and suffer the indinaty of your selfishness. YOUR society will create a class of government poor that will suck you clean.
Listening to McCain much? I don't know what point you are trying to make so I won't respond.
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But rest assured, I will still go to work and I will still pay my taxes....
Of course.
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and by the way I have one of those guns too... and I live in texas... yee ha you liberal.
I don't know what this is in reference to so I won't reply.
This may be true but middle class families that make too much for financial aid must go into debt in order to receive a college education.
You must know some funny looking people. Balled faces and mouths between shoulders.
I don't know what this is in reference to so I won't reply.
Who wants to help the rich guy down the street?
Could you elaborate more?
Listening to McCain much? I don't know what point you are trying to make so I won't respond.
Of course.
Yeehaw indeed.
for a legless guy you sure are funny!
guess you would have to be the person I was talking to that is happy the gubbermint has guns to make me pay taxes to get the gist of what I was saying.
So borrowing money from China and Dubai to redistribute is not socialism, but raising taxes is?
Exactly.
Deferring the cost to China with interest to be paid by future generations, while buying equity in large, private banks = capitalism.
Giving a tax cut to the poor sob's who only earn enough to pay payroll tax = socialism.
Brought to you by the same economic genuises who four years ago were convinced that after we provide another tax cut skewed completely to the wealthy, our tax revenues would go up.
Like the original link said, it's funny. Sad, but funny.
you are wrong. obama wants to raise the income tax to "redistribute the wealth" to everyone else. $500 each. its not a tax cut, its a "relief" check. that is why 32% of american citizens who do not even pay taxes will get a check for $500. 40 million welfare recipients.
that is a hell of a lot closer to socialism and a strong step towards communism!
Also, according to his "plan", since we don't make anywhere near the $200K he wants to raise taxes on, we won't pay more --using all our income, as a family, I think we are still below the potentil $100K "break even point" which has been thrown around..., but if he goes lower ( like Biden says), we may get hit....... well, all our investments, when we take them out ( even if it is when my hubby hits 70 1/2 and has to), well, capitals gains will soak us.
That is redistribution money and I am not in favor of that!
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