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Old 10-20-2008, 10:15 PM
 
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Colin Powell's endorsement of Barack Obama does matter, despite the howls from the right that "no endorsement by anyone matters". If that were true why would Buchanan, Limbaugh and the rest of the right wing shouters be so incensed? Here's some things to consider about why it matters:

1. Powell still has great respect, among non "movement" Republicans, and among miltary members and retirees. There are a lot of active and retired military in the battleground states of FL, VA, NC and CO.

2. Despite all the chatter about, "well he was wrong on the war", his opinion on security matters, matters. Whoever said infallability was the benchmark for legitimacy?

3. He did not assail McCain directly, just by implication.

4. He took the high road in everything that he said.

Of course the usual accusations will come out; "he's Black", "ACORN put him up to it", "he lives in McLean VA, which isn't the 'real' VA". And of course they can always say, "so what! We've got Joe the plumber".

Another couple of news cycles of big stuff like this and McCain will be left with nothing but the "N"uclear (Palin-"NOOOKulur") option. All McCain can do at this point is say, "my friends, we've got them right where we want them".

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Old 10-20-2008, 10:40 PM
 
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The endorsement does not mean anything!!! We have seen prominant Dems. support McCain and visa versa. They are just another voting supporting someone.
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Old 10-21-2008, 05:34 AM
 
Location: North Side of Indy, IN
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The endorsement does not mean anything!!! We have seen prominant Dems. support McCain and visa versa. They are just another voting supporting someone.
Which Dem, who's as prominent and well-respected as Colin Powell, have "we" seen support McCain? Please don't say Lieberman. We all know he's nowhere near as influential as Powell. Who else? PUMA? Pssh.

You're severely deluded if you think Powell's endorsement doesn't mean anything. If it didn't, the Republicans wouldn't be raging as hard as they have been for the last two days.

But, tell yourself whatever you need to, in order to make it through your day. Meanwhile, we'll all go on knowing that Powell's endorsement means a whole H of a lot for Obama and unfortunately, negatively for McCain.

Sorry boutcha, 'pubbies. Keep on cryin in your pillow if you want to, but the tremendously popular former Secretary of State from the McBush...ahem...I mean, Bush administration just switched sides. And it's muy importante. Get over it, and quit bashing him and/or his endorsement. Your blatant seething is unbecoming.
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Old 10-21-2008, 08:12 AM
 
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Now Rich Lowry chimes in calling it Powell's "lame case for Obama". I guess because Powell neglected to wink at him the case must be lame!

Poor Lowry, he's kind of lost the intellectual vigor that WFB required when he helmed the ship. First he refers to Powell as a frequent visitor to MNP, then calls it his "30th appearance" and that "leaks to Bob Woodward wouldn't do the trick, it took a visit with a "docile Tom Brokaw".

Let's see, the man was NSA, Chmn JCS, Secretary of State etc over the last 20+ years, so about once every 8 or 9 months he's on MNP. Doesn't sound like he was wearing out his welcome. And a "docile" interview? Has he ever watched himself with McCain, or anyone on Fox with McCain?

His defense for McCain's being "a little unsure" (hmmm, was Lowry awake that week?) was that he was "flailing around while his poll numbers tanked"! Yikes, we knew that's what drove the daily message at Fuherbunker McCain, but for Lowry to use it as a defense proves the weakness of the campaign.

Naturally his criticisms of Obama fall into the same old smear, that Obama's entire campaign is based upon; "McCain is borderline senile, McCain and his buddy Rush Limbaugh hate Latinos, McCain is going to raise your taxes" and of course "Obama broke his vow to the American people to only use public financing".

Let's break them down: "Senile", never said it, Lowry said McCain was "flailing around", that's synonomous with "erratic"

McCain and Limbaugh are buddies, and Limbaugh does hate Latinos (except when they're his maid and hooking him up!

No, he said "I'll cut YOUR taxes, McCain will cut his own, and everyone on his staff's taxes".

Broke his vow on public financing. You'd think that somewhere along the line of his outstanding colleges Lowry would've learned to read. Obama never vowed to take public financing, he vowed (it's written on the paper they talk about so much) to; "sit down with my opponent and discuss...". Why is it Obama's fault that McCain's henchmen wouldn't sit down with him?

Rich Lowry, lowering the bar at National Review. Until that day the Buckly kid, George Will and some other "thinkers" decide to start a magazine for "real conservatives".

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Old 10-21-2008, 08:14 AM
 
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Colin Powell is very respected, of course, and some people would listen to him and vote for Obama.

ANY endorsement is important - each party always fights to get them.
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Old 10-21-2008, 08:28 AM
 
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Anyone that votes for or changes their vote based on an endorsement is an idiot.
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Old 10-21-2008, 09:12 AM
 
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Polls show the Powell endorsement does carry weight.

He's about the only endorsement that would.

I don't know why right wingers would bother argue the point? It's over for McCain.

Poll: Powell endorsement carries weight - UPI.com
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Old 10-21-2008, 09:19 AM
 
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Most of the people endorsing Obama voted or otherwise supported Bush 100%. Here's a partial list of peope who did both:

Colin Powell and Bill Clinton were some of the war's greatest proponents. Others include:

  • Sen. Max Baucus (D-MT), Chairman of the Finance Committee


  • Sen. Joseph Biden (D-DE), 2008 Democratic Vice Presidential nominee and former 1988 and 2008 presidential candidate


  • Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT), former 2008 Presidential candidate and Chairman of the Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs[14]





  • Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-ND), Chairman of the Democratic Policy Committee, and the Committee on Indian Affairs[15]

  • Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA), Chairman of the Agriculture, Nutrition and Forestry Committee


  • Sen. John Kerry (D-MA), 2004 Democratic Presidential Nominee, Chairman of the Small Business Committee[21]






  • Fmr. Sen. John Edwards (D-NC), former 2008 presidential candidate and 2004 Democratic Vice-Presidential Nominee[35]

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Old 10-21-2008, 09:23 AM
 
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Typical neocon method.

I don't like the message and I don't have any facts to dispute the message, so I'll just attack the messenger cause I just can't accept the fact they might be right.
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Old 10-21-2008, 09:28 AM
 
Location: DC area
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Anyone that votes for or changes their vote based on an endorsement is an idiot.
If it were most other people I would agree with you.

However, in the case of Obama many people have worried about his lack of experience and whether or not he could handle things in a time of crisis. Pre-Palin that was one of the main things McCain harped on - as did other Dems in the primary.

As such, Powell's endorsement potentially gives a fair amount of weight in that area.
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