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Old 10-25-2008, 06:41 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Ayers considers himself a Marxist and has stated that he sees positives in Anarchy. I guess he is a good guy after all.

You Obama supporters are so blind.

I don't think it makes a difference anymore. The American public is so dumb that they like this 2-party system and its complete lack of choice. They love the corruption in Washington DC, the money under the table, the you scratch my back I'll scratch yours lobbyist. When you vote you get what you deserve, more of the same fleecing of the public by your elected officials.

The American voters are like a flock of sheep just waiting for their new Shepherd, not caring if he/she leads them off a cliff or to a slaughter house just as long as they have someone to follow. This country is going downhill fast and unless people wake up they will have nobody but themselves to blame for it.

It is truly a sad situation.
They follow like sheep because of what is promised to be given to them. Everyone likes presents and "freebies" dontcha know...
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Old 10-25-2008, 06:57 AM
 
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Thats good to hear. His demonization by Insane McCain says more about McCain than it does Ayers.
Ayers is a traitor and deserves a traitors fate.
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Old 10-25-2008, 07:43 AM
 
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With the CORRUPT Democrats in Congress, any state would be crazy NOT to secede from the USA.
Let's talk about corrupt members of Congress:

Sen. Pete Domenici (R) New Mexico: is the subject of a "preliminary inquiry" by the Senate Ethics Committee for his role in the U.S. attorney firings controversy. In March 2007, Domenici admitted to contacting the U.S. attorney for New Mexico, David Iglesias, concerning an ongoing investigation into a New Mexico Democrat in late 2006. Iglesias, who was fired weeks later, alleged that Domenici pressured him to accelerate the pace of the probe. Domenici’s actions appeared to violate Senate rules.

Sen.Ted Stevens (R) Alaska: under federal investigation for his connections to a probe of Alaskan lawmakers and their relationship to the VECO oil company, the largest oil-field engineering firm in Alaska.

Rep. Don Young (R) Alaska: along with Sen. Ted Stevens, is under federal investigation for delivering political favors for a company in Alaska. Specifically, officials are probing whether Young or Stevens accepted bribes, illegal gratuities or unreported gifts from VECO Corp.

Rep. John Doolittle (R) California: under investigation by the Justice Department’s Public Integrity Unit for his ties to convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

Rep. Tom Feeney (R) Florida: mentioned multiple times in court documents filed by the Justice Department as "Representative #3" in the criminal investigation of Mark Zachares, a former congressional aide to Rep. Don Young (R-Alaska) and lobbyist who, in April 2007, pleaded guilty to accepting tens of thousands of dollars in gifts from lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

Rep. Jerry Lewis (R) California: currently under investigation for his use of the “earmarking” process to benefit a lobbyist and friend, Bill Lowery.

Rep. Gary Miller (R) California: under investigation by the FBI for his real estate transactions.

Rep. Tim Murphy (R) Pennsylvania: under federal investigation for allegedly having legislative staff members perform campaign-related activities in his Pennsylvania district office.

Rep. Rick Renzi (R) Arizona: currently the subject of two Justice Department investigations. First, he is under investigation for his involvement in a federal land swap deal. Second, Renzi is being probed for introducing legislation (which became law) exempting the Fort Huachuca Army base in Arizona from maintaining water levels in the nearby San Pedro River. ManTech International, a military contractor who has been one of Renzi’s largest contributors and currently employs his father, has over $450 million in contracts at the base. In April 2007, the FBI raided Renzi's wife's Arizona insurance business, prompting him to step down from the House Intelligence, Resources and Financial Services Committees.

Former Rep. Bob Beauprez (R) Colorado: currently under investigation by the Justice Department’s Wyoming office. The probe is examining whether Beauprez, a candidate in the 2006 gubernatorial election in Colorado, accessed a restricted federal database for information used in a television ad to attack his Democratic challenger, Bill Ritter.

Former Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R) California: convicted of accepting $2.4 million in bribes in exchange for securing, through earmarks, defense and intelligence contracts for Mitchell Wade and Brent Wilkes. He is currently serving a sentence of 8 years and 8 months, the longest sentence ever given to a convicted member of Congress.

Former Rep. Tom DeLay (R) Texas: indicted in September 2005 for money laundering and conspiracy in connection with the Texas redistricting scandal. The conspiracy charges were waived, but the former Majority Leader still faces the money laundering charge. DeLay was named as “Representative #2” in the guilty plea of his former chief of staff Tony Rudy, who was convicted in connection to the actions of Jack Abramoff. DeLay’s name has also surfaced in the Brent Wilkes-Duke Cunningham scandal and the Justice Department may be looking at his actions in relation to that case.

Former Rep. Mark Foley (R) Florida: in early October, the FBI announced that it would be investigating Foley's "over-friendly" emails and sexually suggestive instant message conversations he had with teenage congressional pages.

Former Rep. Jim Gibbons (R) Nevada: currently the governor of Nevada, is under investigation by the FBI for allegedly accepting unreported gifts and/or payments from a company, eTreppid Technologies LLC, in exchange for official acts while he served in Congress (1997-2007).

Former Rep. Katherine Harris (R) Florida: under investigation by both the Justice Department and Defense Department for her relationship with Mitchell Wade, the former head of a defense company who pleaded guilty to a series of criminal bribery offenses in February 2006.

Former Rep. Dennis Hastert (R) Illinois: In May 2006, ABC News cited “high-level official sources” in a report claiming that Hastert was under investigation by the FBI. According to the report, the FBI was looking into a letter Hastert wrote in 2003 urging then-Interior Secretary Gale Norton to block an Indian casino that would have competed with casinos operated by other tribes, which were represented by convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff. Hastert denied the claim, and others suggested that the government leak of an investigation was retaliatory for Hastert’s public opposition to the FBI raid of Rep. William Jefferson’s congressional office. ABC News, however, refused to retract its original claim of an ongoing investigation. Hastert's office was also under investigation by the House Ethics Committee for its handling of early complaints about inappropriate contacts with House pages by former Rep. Mark Foley.

Former Rep. Bob Ney (R) Ohio: sentenced to 30 months in federal prison after he pled guilty to taking money, gifts and favors in return for official actions on behalf of convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff and his clients. Ney also confessed to taking thousands of dollars in gambling chips from an international businessman who sought his help with the State Department.

Former Rep. Curt Weldon (R) Pennsylvania: under investigation by the Justice Department for trading his political influence for lobbying and consulting contracts for his daughter, Karen Weldon. Specifically, the investigation centers around Weldon's efforts between 2002 and 2004 to aid two Russian companies and two Serbian brothers with ties to Slobodan Milosevic, the former president of Serbia. The Russian firms and a Serbian group run by the brothers' family had each hired a lobbying firm co-owned by Karen Weldon for fees totaling nearly $1 million a year.

Sorry this post is so long but there are just so many corrupt Republicans! Maybe that's why they need to focus on people like Bill Ayers - it's to divert attention from what's really going on right under everyone's nose.
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Old 10-25-2008, 08:27 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Let's talk about corrupt members of Congress:

Sen. Pete Domenici (R) New Mexico: is the subject of a "preliminary inquiry" by the Senate Ethics Committee for his role in the U.S. attorney firings controversy. In March 2007, Domenici admitted to contacting the U.S. attorney for New Mexico, David Iglesias, concerning an ongoing investigation into a New Mexico Democrat in late 2006. Iglesias, who was fired weeks later, alleged that Domenici pressured him to accelerate the pace of the probe. Domenici’s actions appeared to violate Senate rules.

Sen.Ted Stevens (R) Alaska: under federal investigation for his connections to a probe of Alaskan lawmakers and their relationship to the VECO oil company, the largest oil-field engineering firm in Alaska.

Rep. Don Young (R) Alaska: along with Sen. Ted Stevens, is under federal investigation for delivering political favors for a company in Alaska. Specifically, officials are probing whether Young or Stevens accepted bribes, illegal gratuities or unreported gifts from VECO Corp.

Rep. John Doolittle (R) California: under investigation by the Justice Department’s Public Integrity Unit for his ties to convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

Rep. Tom Feeney (R) Florida: mentioned multiple times in court documents filed by the Justice Department as "Representative #3" in the criminal investigation of Mark Zachares, a former congressional aide to Rep. Don Young (R-Alaska) and lobbyist who, in April 2007, pleaded guilty to accepting tens of thousands of dollars in gifts from lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

Rep. Jerry Lewis (R) California: currently under investigation for his use of the “earmarking” process to benefit a lobbyist and friend, Bill Lowery.

Rep. Gary Miller (R) California: under investigation by the FBI for his real estate transactions.

Rep. Tim Murphy (R) Pennsylvania: under federal investigation for allegedly having legislative staff members perform campaign-related activities in his Pennsylvania district office.

Rep. Rick Renzi (R) Arizona: currently the subject of two Justice Department investigations. First, he is under investigation for his involvement in a federal land swap deal. Second, Renzi is being probed for introducing legislation (which became law) exempting the Fort Huachuca Army base in Arizona from maintaining water levels in the nearby San Pedro River. ManTech International, a military contractor who has been one of Renzi’s largest contributors and currently employs his father, has over $450 million in contracts at the base. In April 2007, the FBI raided Renzi's wife's Arizona insurance business, prompting him to step down from the House Intelligence, Resources and Financial Services Committees.

Former Rep. Bob Beauprez (R) Colorado: currently under investigation by the Justice Department’s Wyoming office. The probe is examining whether Beauprez, a candidate in the 2006 gubernatorial election in Colorado, accessed a restricted federal database for information used in a television ad to attack his Democratic challenger, Bill Ritter.

Former Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R) California: convicted of accepting $2.4 million in bribes in exchange for securing, through earmarks, defense and intelligence contracts for Mitchell Wade and Brent Wilkes. He is currently serving a sentence of 8 years and 8 months, the longest sentence ever given to a convicted member of Congress.

Former Rep. Tom DeLay (R) Texas: indicted in September 2005 for money laundering and conspiracy in connection with the Texas redistricting scandal. The conspiracy charges were waived, but the former Majority Leader still faces the money laundering charge. DeLay was named as “Representative #2” in the guilty plea of his former chief of staff Tony Rudy, who was convicted in connection to the actions of Jack Abramoff. DeLay’s name has also surfaced in the Brent Wilkes-Duke Cunningham scandal and the Justice Department may be looking at his actions in relation to that case.

Former Rep. Mark Foley (R) Florida: in early October, the FBI announced that it would be investigating Foley's "over-friendly" emails and sexually suggestive instant message conversations he had with teenage congressional pages.

Former Rep. Jim Gibbons (R) Nevada: currently the governor of Nevada, is under investigation by the FBI for allegedly accepting unreported gifts and/or payments from a company, eTreppid Technologies LLC, in exchange for official acts while he served in Congress (1997-2007).

Former Rep. Katherine Harris (R) Florida: under investigation by both the Justice Department and Defense Department for her relationship with Mitchell Wade, the former head of a defense company who pleaded guilty to a series of criminal bribery offenses in February 2006.

Former Rep. Dennis Hastert (R) Illinois: In May 2006, ABC News cited “high-level official sources” in a report claiming that Hastert was under investigation by the FBI. According to the report, the FBI was looking into a letter Hastert wrote in 2003 urging then-Interior Secretary Gale Norton to block an Indian casino that would have competed with casinos operated by other tribes, which were represented by convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff. Hastert denied the claim, and others suggested that the government leak of an investigation was retaliatory for Hastert’s public opposition to the FBI raid of Rep. William Jefferson’s congressional office. ABC News, however, refused to retract its original claim of an ongoing investigation. Hastert's office was also under investigation by the House Ethics Committee for its handling of early complaints about inappropriate contacts with House pages by former Rep. Mark Foley.

Former Rep. Bob Ney (R) Ohio: sentenced to 30 months in federal prison after he pled guilty to taking money, gifts and favors in return for official actions on behalf of convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff and his clients. Ney also confessed to taking thousands of dollars in gambling chips from an international businessman who sought his help with the State Department.

Former Rep. Curt Weldon (R) Pennsylvania: under investigation by the Justice Department for trading his political influence for lobbying and consulting contracts for his daughter, Karen Weldon. Specifically, the investigation centers around Weldon's efforts between 2002 and 2004 to aid two Russian companies and two Serbian brothers with ties to Slobodan Milosevic, the former president of Serbia. The Russian firms and a Serbian group run by the brothers' family had each hired a lobbying firm co-owned by Karen Weldon for fees totaling nearly $1 million a year.

Sorry this post is so long but there are just so many corrupt Republicans! Maybe that's why they need to focus on people like Bill Ayers - it's to divert attention from what's really going on right under everyone's nose.
There's not enough space to do the same for the dems. Both sides are corrupt, please drop the partisanship...
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Old 10-25-2008, 08:55 AM
 
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this should make Obama proud
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Old 10-25-2008, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Denver
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McCain is friends with G Gordan Liddy
G. Gordon Liddy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for real. No One has a problem with that?

This Ayers Smear....a person Obama hardly knew ... is just awful. For Ayers as well. He did say he was sorry. He has worked helping people since. Republicans all over chicago vouch for that. He would be in prison not helping kids if he was a threat.

Mrs Palin and AIP, Mrs Palin doesnt think abortion bombings are a terrorist act..
this list could go on and on....especially if we listed all the south american rebels
and leaders McCain has hung out with that are actually on the watch list of terrorist.
I don't understand it either. Well...I guess I do. McCain's relationship with Liddy and the others you listed, and Palins relationship with the Alaska group are common knowledge yet they are rarely mentioned by the mainstream media. Hum...
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Old 10-25-2008, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Denver
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Let's talk about corrupt members of Congress:

Sen. Pete Domenici (R) New Mexico:
Sen.Ted Stevens (R) Alaska:
Rep. Don Young (R) Alaska:
Rep. John Doolittle (R) California:
Rep. Tom Feeney (R) Florida:
Rep. Jerry Lewis (R) California:
Rep. Gary Miller (R) California:
Rep. Tim Murphy (R) Pennsylvania:
Rep. Rick Renzi (R) Arizona:
Former Rep. Bob Beauprez (R) Colorado:
Former Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R) California:
Former Rep. Tom DeLay (R) Texas:
Former Rep. Mark Foley (R) Florida:
Former Rep. Jim Gibbons (R) Nevada:
Former Rep. Katherine Harris (R) Florida:
Former Rep. Dennis Hastert (R) Illinois:
Former Rep. Bob Ney (R) Ohio:
Former Rep. Curt Weldon (R) Pennsylvania:

Sorry this post is so long but there are just so many corrupt Republicans! Maybe that's why they need to focus on people like Bill Ayers - it's to divert attention from what's really going on right under everyone's nose.
Thank You! One expects (sadly) a certain level of corruption from politicians, but what has always been striking is the hubris and hypocracy of the right who claim to have a lock on christian values.
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Old 10-25-2008, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Central Illinois -
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I would ask you please state (without using code pink/moveon talking points) exactly how the war in Iraq was or is "illegal"?
It was executed under the premise of an imminent threat that not only did not exist, but that the neocon warmongers invented through deliberately falsified claims.

The war is illegal, and the Bish/Cheney/Rumsfeld axis are war criminals.

They should be in Federal custody awaiting trial.

You want to talk terrorism? I know how many people Ayers is responsible for killing (zero) versus how many the neocons are responsible for killing (anywhere from 250,000 to one million)
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:46 AM
 
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McCain is friends with G Gordan Liddy
G. Gordon Liddy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for real. No One has a problem with that?

This Ayers Smear....a person Obama hardly knew ... is just awful. For Ayers as well. He did say he was sorry. He has worked helping people since. Republicans all over chicago vouch for that. He would be in prison not helping kids if he was a threat.

Mrs Palin and AIP, Mrs Palin doesnt think abortion bombings are a terrorist act..
this list could go on and on....especially if we listed all the south american rebels
and leaders McCain has hung out with that are actually on the watch list of terrorist.
Show us where he said he was sorry at?
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Old 10-25-2008, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Missouri
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Why would you continue to defend this guy when Obama wouldn't even stand up for him?
Because they are doing as they are expected to do. It is called not thinking for one's self.
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