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Old 10-21-2008, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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Dollar and SENSE folks, dollars and sense.

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Old 10-21-2008, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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Let's watch the right wingers spin this one.
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Old 10-21-2008, 09:43 AM
 
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Um yeah, I can do math
Middle class families get $500 each from the rich * two parents = $1,000 a year, * 8 years = $8,000 - $13,000 = $5,000, shocking. The SAME as with McCain.. Add into the higher cost of living and massive inflation (an obvious outcome of such a high payraise so fast) and americans will be behind. Housing crisis is nothing, wait 8 years..

Imagine my surprise when I seen the owner of the website was from SF Ca.. Shocking, considering the website is full of talks and banners from Obama, talks about supporting ACORN, stories of "Republicans 10 dirtiest secrets", Id say its far from objective.
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Old 10-21-2008, 09:52 AM
 
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Let's watch the right wingers spin this one.
We don't need to spin. Would you like to see the harm to the middle class from Obama's previous tax proposals?

This guy won't settle on one decision, so it's pointless to try to make any absolute statements about Obama's policies.
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Old 10-21-2008, 09:55 AM
 
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We don't need to spin. Would you like to see the harm to the middle class from Obama's previous tax proposals?

This guy won't settle on one decision, so it's pointless to try to make any absolute statements about Obama's policies.
Havent you heard, Chicago is doing FABULOUS after having Obama legislate higher taxes there
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Old 10-21-2008, 09:58 AM
 
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They will EARN more? You mean Obama will increase their pay for the work they do? You earn money from working. If you are talking about a handout (welfare) or a tax cut, then that is not EARNINGS.
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Old 10-21-2008, 10:02 AM
 
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It's some guys opinion get a grip.
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Old 10-21-2008, 10:10 AM
 
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They will EARN more? You mean Obama will increase their pay for the work they do? You earn money from working. If you are talking about a handout (welfare) or a tax cut, then that is not EARNINGS.
Well, that would be great, if he could help the American people get decent wages!! It would be about time, after years of stagnation, including the ridiculous minimum wage.
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Old 10-21-2008, 10:12 AM
 
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What a bunch of *rap.

Society cannot tax it's way to prosperity and productivity, no matter how good it feels for awhile for the beneficiaries of the largess spread around.

PJ O'Rourke had it right, years ago ... divide the number of recipients of government largess by the billions of dollars spent on the entitlement programs, and there should have been no poverty anywhere in the USA. But the reality is that we had two groups of recipients ... those who administered the programs and those who got the little bit of largess handed down to them.

Eliminate the ability and incentive of small businesses to be financially worthwhile through excessive taxation, and those businesses will slowly but surely leave the marketplace. Those small businesses were all the precursors to big businesses, too ... so they are essential to that segment of the financial productivity, too.

More taxation and consumption of money through government largess directly to individuals is not going to raise the standard of living overall. It's been proven to create an entire class of government dependents ... in this country, as well as many others that have had a "dole" ... which, as an end result, is a far cry from assisting those few genuinely needy folks in our country.

A good example is the years that the Brits tried to "tear down the wealthy to our level" by excessive taxation upon the "rich" ... capital investment fled the country, the economy soured, and unemployment rose to record levels when companies quit the marketplace; they still haven't recovered from those years of the tax rates being 125% of income upon the "rich". Ireland, on the other hand, has recently been the "economic miracle" of the area ... by encouraging investment and productivity through a very favorable tax environment, they've gotten out of the doldrums they were in for many years.

Other European countries have been (or are experiencing) similar economic problems ... once the gov't stepped in with mandating employment rules, minimum pay scales ... the economies have stagnated. France and Germany economically don't look so good these days with all their social programs .....
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Old 10-21-2008, 10:12 AM
 
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Well, that would be great, if he could help the American people get decent wages!! It would be about time, after years of stagnation, including the ridiculous minimum wage.
What should minimum wage be?
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