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Old 10-21-2008, 12:50 PM
 
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If you are a supporter of McCain and Palin, you must have heard that they abhor socialism. If so, do you believe Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid (i.e. entitlement programs) are manifestations of socialism? If so, shouldn't you be returning your social security checks? Shouldn't you renounce any Medicare and Medicaid benefits you might receive beginning now until you drop dead?

SS, Medicare, and Medicaid comprise the biggest chunk of the federal budget. This is where the bulk of your taxes go. So if you hate taxes and oppose tax increases, it is only logical for you to renounce these programs and fight tooth and nail that they be abolished. But we don't really hear McCain and Palin (and their stooges on this forum) doing that. They attack the abstraction of socialism, but they can't really attack these programs directly because they know they will lose votes in the process.

All they do is posturing. These Republicans criticize Obama for supposedly being a socialist while at the same time they continue to receive their SS checks. Suck the government teat while hypocritically whipping its behind.
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Old 10-21-2008, 12:54 PM
 
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Yes, its now a widely accepted, "entitlement" socialism program. If it wasnt, when I died. my children would inherit the ballance.
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Old 10-21-2008, 01:01 PM
 
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If you are a supporter of McCain and Palin, you must have heard that they abhor socialism. If so, do you believe Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid (i.e. entitlement programs) are manifestations of socialism? If so, shouldn't you be returning your social security checks? Shouldn't you renounce any Medicare and Medicaid benefits you might receive beginning now until you drop dead?

SS, Medicare, and Medicaid comprise the biggest chunk of the federal budget. This is where the bulk of your taxes go. So if you hate taxes and oppose tax increases, it is only logical for you to renounce these programs and fight tooth and nail that they be abolished. But we don't really hear McCain and Palin (and their stooges on this forum) doing that. They attack the abstraction of socialism, but they can't really attack these programs directly because they know they will lose votes in the process.

All they do is posturing. These Republicans criticize Obama for supposedly being a socialist while at the same time they continue to receive their SS checks. Suck the government teat while hypocritically whipping its behind.
SS is not because if you do not work and pay SS taxes you don't get. It is not a hand out. Personally I think people should not have to pay SS and they should be responsible for planing their own retirement. As for Medicare and Medicaid, yup I think they are and they should be done away with.
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Old 10-21-2008, 01:05 PM
 
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SS is not because if you do not work and pay SS taxes you don't get. It is not a hand out. Personally I think people should not have to pay SS and they should be responsible for planing their own retirement. As for Medicare and Medicaid, yup I think they are and they should be done away with.
Agree
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Old 10-21-2008, 01:06 PM
 
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SS is my money and it aggravates me that they deny you for it when you are disabled. So, no, its definitely not Socialism.
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Old 10-21-2008, 01:09 PM
 
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the poor need social security. reason we got it is because of that winner take all mentality. when you are sitting on a hill of diamonds wearing gold plated underwear, eveybody else looks like a dirty commie.
somehow at some point in time, john wayne turned into marie antoinette.
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Old 10-21-2008, 01:09 PM
 
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SS is not because if you do not work and pay SS taxes you don't get. It is not a hand out. Personally I think people should not have to pay SS and they should be responsible for planing their own retirement. As for Medicare and Medicaid, yup I think they are and they should be done away with.
SS taxes taken out of your pacheck is used to pay current retirees. It is not being saved up for you. It is a form of wealth redistribution (today's workers paying for the benefits of the non-workers). So we delude ourselves by calling Social Security anything other than a manifestation of socialism. Yet many Republicans (who presumably are anti-socialist) have no qualms cashing their SS checks. So to attack Obama for being a socialist while cashing in your SS checks is the height of hypocrisy.
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Old 10-21-2008, 01:09 PM
 
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One of the problems with Social Security, is my parent's generation (WW II workers) were told that SS would provide for them in their retirement. At that time, the government assumed they would live 5-7 years after they retired. Well, with all the good medical care, seniors are living 15-20 years past retirement age. Since they didn't contribute very much, because SS tax was low when it first started, they have already taken out much more than they put in. My generation (boomers) were told to get your own 401K because SS wasn't going to do it all for you. My kids generation will have nothing in their old age except the leftover deficit from us. Nice job, Washington!
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Old 10-21-2008, 01:10 PM
 
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You don't have to pay into SS to receive Supplemental Security Income (SSI) if you become disabled. It's considered a poverty program. Social Security Disability Income (SSDI) works roughly the way the SS retirement program works, with the amount you received tied to the amount you pay in.
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Old 10-21-2008, 01:11 PM
 
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SS is not because if you do not work and pay SS taxes you don't get. It is not a hand out. Personally I think people should not have to pay SS and they should be responsible for planing their own retirement. As for Medicare and Medicaid, yup I think they are and they should be done away with.
So you'll agree not to take your Medicare when you turn 62 and you'll pick up the tab for your elderly parents' medical care?
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