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Old 10-25-2008, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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Now that is a switch. If he had told you about it you would probably have asked for a link.

Considering he is a front runner, all he has to do for me to vote for him is not to be Obama or any of his questionable friends.

The first thing you have to ask about a candidate is whether they are for the same issues you are for. McCain is, Obama isn't.
Wrong. Obama is for my issues not McCain.
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:42 AM
 
Location: On Top
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You don't call a CAPTAIN of the NAVY a leader???
Gimme a break!!!!!
A Captain only because of his old man's influence, one of the bottom 5 in his class of nearly 900.....again gimme a break.
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:43 AM
 
Location: In the sunshine on a ship with a plank
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You don't call a CAPTAIN of the NAVY a leader???

Gimme a break!!!!!

Please give us some examples of what he accomplished as a Navy Captain that support your arguement that such a position
honed leadership qualities in Senator McCain.


Have any of his subordinates come forward with examples of his great leadership qualities?


Also, many people have discounted the fact that he cheated on his first wife and left her for Cindy back in the 70s. When it was mentioned that he and Cindy has procured a marriage license prior to his divorce being finalizes many of his supporters said that it happened so long ago that it should not matter now.

Was McCain a Navy Captain before or after his divorce from the first Mrs. McCain? If he was before, would that information also be irrelevant since it was oh so long ago?
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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If you are going to quantify by actual leadership skills then all you have to do is contrast how the two campaigns have been run. McCain's campaign has been disorganized and has changed positions just about every week. The selection of Palin as VP, someone who has minimal intelligence and can not even describe her own parties platform using the English language shows poor judgment. The fact that McCain has military experience and yet can not control his own campaign is even more disconcerting. Any military officer worth his salt would have had it running like a machine. Maybe if he had been a Marine that would have happened.

Obama's campaign has been a well organized and accomplished organization for over two years. They have stayed consistent with their message, adapting as the conditions in the country have changed. Beating the Clinton's was an amazing feat in and of itself and then they transitioned straight through that into the GOP smear machine. Obama has shown calmness under fire while McCain has been angered, dismissive, and unsure about important issues.

From the position of leadership only.......it's very clear that Obama comes out way ahead of McCain.
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Looking over your shoulder
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I see nothing in his personal life or public that qualifies him to lead and take my dog for a walk. He’d lose the dog, forget where to return to tell me about it. At lease his brother Joe McCain was able to dial 911 and report that the traffic was stopped on the highway and wondered if they could tell him why? That’s three digits you have to remember to dial to reach the emergency center 9-1-1 on the phone.
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:54 AM
 
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If you are going to quantify by actual leadership skills then all you have to do is contrast how the two campaigns have been run. McCain's campaign has been disorganized and has changed positions just about every week. The selection of Palin as VP, someone who has minimal intelligence and can not even describe her own parties platform using the English language shows poor judgment. The fact that McCain has military experience and yet can not control his own campaign is even more disconcerting. Any military officer worth his salt would have had it running like a machine. Maybe if he had been a Marine that would have happened.

Obama's campaign has been a well organized and accomplished organization for over two years. They have stayed consistent with their message, adapting as the conditions in the country have changed. Beating the Clinton's was an amazing feat in and of itself and then they transitioned straight through that into the GOP smear machine. Obama has shown calmness under fire while McCain has been angered, dismissive, and unsure about important issues.

From the position of leadership only.......it's very clear that Obama comes out way ahead of McCain.

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Old 10-25-2008, 10:58 AM
 
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If you are going to quantify by actual leadership skills then all you have to do is contrast how the two campaigns have been run. McCain's campaign has been disorganized and has changed positions just about every week. The selection of Palin as VP, someone who has minimal intelligence and can not even describe her own parties platform using the English language shows poor judgment. The fact that McCain has military experience and yet can not control his own campaign is even more disconcerting. Any military officer worth his salt would have had it running like a machine. Maybe if he had been a Marine that would have happened.

Obama's campaign has been a well organized and accomplished organization for over two years. They have stayed consistent with their message, adapting as the conditions in the country have changed. Beating the Clinton's was an amazing feat in and of itself and then they transitioned straight through that into the GOP smear machine. Obama has shown calmness under fire while McCain has been angered, dismissive, and unsure about important issues.

From the position of leadership only.......it's very clear that Obama comes out way ahead of McCain.
You do remember Obama won the primary because they didnt count florida and michigan. It wasn't exactly an overwhelming victory.

Obama did a good job buying the election.
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:59 AM
 
Location: In the sunshine on a ship with a plank
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No leadership examples there other than those of McCain's campaign managers- however, that is only a blog and can be heavily opinionated. Still waiting for facts or testimonials from those who have been led by John McCain.
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Old 10-25-2008, 11:01 AM
 
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No leadership examples there other than those of McCain's campaign managers- however, that is only a blog and can be heavily opinionated. Still waiting for facts or testimonials from those who have been led by John McCain.

McCain - No leadership experience
Obama - No leadership experience
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Old 10-25-2008, 11:04 AM
 
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You do remember Obama won the primary because they didnt count florida and michigan. It wasn't exactly an overwhelming victory.

Obama did a good job buying the election.
Do you remember that because Michigan and Florida were disqualified before a single vote was casted that there was nothing to count to begin with? By the way you are aware that Jessie Jackson won the Michigan Primary in 1988, just FYI.

As for "buying the election" more like people for Obama buying the candidate of their choice.
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