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Old 10-29-2008, 08:36 AM
Location: Over There
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Originally Posted by arabella22 View Post
How in the world anyone vote anything?

More to the point how can we trust EITHER politician? Obama's being criticized for his questionable past and not so long ago associations...now, I just found something that I am not liking very much on McCain's side...this man that seems to be such a warrior is actually a fairly questionable character...he was married with 3 kids, comes back from Vietnam, finds his wife Carol is less than stellar looking after surviving a horrific car crash and decides he will leave her and the 3 kids to get hooked up with a new model...maybe he wanted the blonde model now that he had had the brunette? Maybe it was a midlife crisis? Don't believe me? See below...

The wife U.S. Republican John McCain callously left behind

By Sharon Churcher
Last updated at 1:45 AM on 08th June 2008

Now that Hillary Clinton has at last formally withdrawn from the race for the White House, the eyes of America and the world will focus on Barack Obama and his Republican rival Senator John McCain.

While Obama will surely press his credentials as the embodiment of the American dream – a handsome, charismatic young black man who was raised on food stamps by a single mother and who represents his country’s future – McCain will present himself as a selfless, principled war hero whose campaign represents not so much a battle for the presidency of the United States, but a crusade to rescue the nation’s tarnished reputation.

McCain likes to illustrate his moral fibre by referring to his five years as a prisoner-of-war in Vietnam. And to demonstrate his commitment to family values, the 71-year-old former US Navy pilot pays warm tribute to his beautiful blonde wife, Cindy, with whom he has four children.
But there is another Mrs McCain who casts a ghostly shadow over the Senator’s presidential campaign. She is seldom seen and rarely written about, despite being mother to McCain’s three eldest children.
And yet, had events turned out differently, it would be she, rather than Cindy, who would be vying to be First Lady. She is McCain’s first wife, Carol, who was a famous beauty and a successful swimwear model when they married in 1965.
She was the woman McCain dreamed of during his long incarceration and torture in Vietnam’s infamous ‘Hanoi Hilton’ prison and the woman who faithfully stayed at home looking after the children and waiting anxiously for news.
But when McCain returned to America in 1973 to a fanfare of publicity and a handshake from Richard Nixon, he discovered his wife had been disfigured in a terrible car crash three years earlier. Her car had skidded on icy roads into a telegraph pole on Christmas Eve, 1969. Her pelvis and one arm were shattered by the impact and she suffered massive internal injuries.
When Carol was discharged from hospital after six months of life-saving surgery, the prognosis was bleak. In order to save her legs, surgeons
had been forced to cut away huge sections of shattered bone, taking with it her tall, willowy figure. She was confined to a wheelchair and was forced to use a catheter.
Through sheer hard work, Carol learned to walk again. But when John McCain came home from Vietnam, she had gained a lot of weight and bore little resemblance to her old self.
Today, she stands at just 5ft4in and still walks awkwardly, with a pronounced limp. Her body is held together by screws and metal plates and, at 70, her face is worn by wrinkles that speak of decades of silent suffering.
For nearly 30 years, Carol has maintained a dignified silence about the accident, McCain and their divorce. But last week at the bungalow where she now lives at Virginia Beach, a faded seaside resort 200 miles south of Washington
From what I understand she cheated on him while he was away but it really matters not considering we had a president that was getting BJ's in the Oval Office by his pop-tart intern and that is only the tip of the cheating that Clinton did.
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Old 10-29-2008, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by TnHilltopper View Post
My concerns about Obama are in part because of his inexperience, a lot like my rejection of Palin on the grounds of her lack of experience. While I do feel Obama is much more capable of learning as he goes, I am cautious.

The biggest reason I will not vote for McCain or Obama is that neither have laid out a comprehensive plan to cut spending. I have a practical and moral objection to massive debt and growing deficits placing financial burdens upon those who did not create this debt.

McCain wishes to borrow more with interest, tax less and pass these debts that belong to you and I to future generations. To me, that is immoral.

Obama hasn't yet addressed what spending cuts he will make either, and while no one wants to pay more taxes, I would not object if he did raise them on people such as myself, as it is part of MY debt after all.

The other big reason is that I have practical and moral objections to the war and subsequent occupation of Iraq. As of this moment, I'm not convinced that Obama will turn over Iraq to the Iraqi's anymore than McCain will. While he may pull out large numbers of troops, I think the US will be in Iraq for my lifetime. (see the 14 permanent bases still being built that no candidate dare speak of)

As to Afghanistan, it is not the same situation today as it was in 2002 and is now much broader in scope. Something has to be done, but I have not yet come to any personal conclusions as to what that is.

No, I don't think Obama is some extremist or anything of the sort that the frothing at the mouth extreme right seems to believe nor do I believe in political saviors. I am even happy to see his idealistic and positive message about where he wants to take the nation, I am just not convinced that his actions and desires will come to fruition. There is also what MbMouse mentions and that is lack of parity in government, where it is likely that the next four years will be solely in the control of one political party, and that can either be great or a disaster, but I prefer more balance and party brand means nothing to me.
You make good points, as usual. I agree with you on many of your points. I don't believe in political saviors either And like you, I don't know that Obama will get us out of Iraq lickety-split. I think some kind of US presence will be in Iraq for my lifetime as well, unfortuantely. and as much as I don't like the idea of that, at this point I don't know if there is another option. We are in this mess, like it or not. and I think pulling out ALL US troop presence quickly might make things even worse than we've already made them.

Who knows if all of Obama's plans will come to fruition, true. After all, it's not like he can just wave a magic wand and make everything perfect. And he is not a perfect candidate. There is no such thing. they are certainly all politicians, bottom line.

But what I DO know is that Obama's ideas, on the whole, align so much more with my own than mcCain's do.

I look at McCain's choices thus far and his ideas for where he wants to take this nation and I am afraid.

I look at Obama's choices and plans and I am hopeful.
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Old 10-29-2008, 08:49 AM
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Well, voting republican this time also means P-A-L-I-N, which has to be like bitter poison for some of the republicans to take. I think when all is said and done--alot of blame will go her way.
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Old 10-29-2008, 09:00 AM
Location: arizona on the border
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I am sorry you have such irrational anger within.
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