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Old 10-29-2008, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Le Grand, Ca
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Hey, wow, real nice there. That's my state you're talking about. You also might wanna keep in mind that one of the greatest Republicans in history CREATED the Department of the Interior. Take a class or something--some of the most resourceful environmentalists around are Republicans.

Geez. You are a classic example of why there needs to be at least a passing grade on a basic civics test before people are allowed to vote.

Haha that is funny right there...
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Old 10-29-2008, 06:56 PM
 
Location: WA
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That's swell that you guys have trash pick up days. But so do hiker groups, local environmental groups, school groups, office groups, forest ranger teams, and non-profit groups. Except these groups don't abuse the land the other 363 days of the year.
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Old 10-30-2008, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Louisville, KY
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That's swell that you guys have trash pick up days. But so do hiker groups, local environmental groups, school groups, office groups, forest ranger teams, and non-profit groups. Except these groups don't abuse the land the other 363 days of the year.

so those kids from the school group that hike into the woods with a case of beer and smashes their empties aren't abusing the land?

how about the hiker who lets his fire get out of control and burns thousands of acres, killing thousands of animals and hundreds of homes?

blanket statements about all OHV users abusing the land is absurd.
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Old 10-30-2008, 08:46 AM
 
Location: WA
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so those kids from the school group that hike into the woods with a case of beer and smashes their empties aren't abusing the land?

how about the hiker who lets his fire get out of control and burns thousands of acres, killing thousands of animals and hundreds of homes?

blanket statements about all OHV users abusing the land is absurd.
Its not you, its your OFV. Environmental destruction means more than beer cans.

Environmental effects of off-road vehicles: Impacts and management in arid regions. Springer-Verlag. New York.

Hall, J. A. 1980. Direct impacts of off-road vehicles on vegetation. Pages 63-74 in: P.G. Rowlands (ed.). The effects of disturbance on desert soils, vegetation and community processes with emphasis on off-road vehicles: a critical review. U.S. Dept. Interior, Bureau of Land Management, Desert Plan Staff Special Publication. Riverside, CA.

Havlick, David G. 2002. No Place Distance: Roads and Motorized Recreation on America’s Public Lands. Island Press. Washington D.C. 297 pp

Sheridan, D. 1980. Off-Road vehicles on public lands. Council on Environmental Quality. Washington D.C., 84 pp.

http://nwcos.org/Subcommittees/OHV%2...ECOSYSTEMS.pdf
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Old 10-30-2008, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Louisville, KY
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Its not you, its your OFV. Environmental destruction means more than beer cans.

Environmental effects of off-road vehicles: Impacts and management in arid regions. Springer-Verlag. New York.

Hall, J. A. 1980. Direct impacts of off-road vehicles on vegetation. Pages 63-74 in: P.G. Rowlands (ed.). The effects of disturbance on desert soils, vegetation and community processes with emphasis on off-road vehicles: a critical review. U.S. Dept. Interior, Bureau of Land Management, Desert Plan Staff Special Publication. Riverside, CA.

Havlick, David G. 2002. No Place Distance: Roads and Motorized Recreation on America’s Public Lands. Island Press. Washington D.C. 297 pp

Sheridan, D. 1980. Off-Road vehicles on public lands. Council on Environmental Quality. Washington D.C., 84 pp.

http://nwcos.org/Subcommittees/OHV%2...ECOSYSTEMS.pdf (broken link)
well its not hikers, its their fires that destroy more fragile vegetation on public lands then an entire fleet of OHV's ever could.

Even your foot steps damage plant life. management and education is what is needed, not a ban.
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