Will terrorists and thug activists flood into the U.S. with an Obama presidency? (Bush)

[FinnishAmerican]

Yes they do.

But; On the bright side, when Obama has screwed things up in the next 4 years.

Republicans shall own the white house for maaaany years

[BigJon3475]

Am I in the right place looking for bomb shelters?

[momonkey]

Originally Posted by Kooter

Will terrorists and thug activists flood into the U.S. with an Obama presidency? It's a known fact that Obama has some pretty sleazy friends.

Not a chance. He has a sleazy circle of racist America hating friends, but his family is firmly rooted in the fundamental principles of freedom and democracy.

Washington Times - HYMAN: Obama's Kenya ghosts

[tinman01]

Originally Posted by BigJon3475

Am I in the right place looking for bomb shelters?

No that would be in the Bush planned and faked the 9/11 attack. You might find some useful material next to the tinfoil at your local super market.

[SGrey]

Hey, I didn't say he should talk with terrorists and such without pre conditions, he did. If he is willing to talk to Iran this way, it would seem he wants to handle it the same elsewhere.

Ah, I see. I know he said that. Where our lines got crossed is I was thinking more of sitting down with Bin Laden.

From a diplomacy standpoint, once all the usual channels have been gone through - Sec State meetings etc - sitting down without preconditions is the way to go. Punishing a country by not talking to them isn't punishment at all. Neither will demanding too much in the way of preconditions get you anywhere.

Prior to Bush we attempted and managed diplomacy with Iran. The idea of it is nothing new, neither is the implementation.

The Secretary's of State who have endorsed McCain also endorse speaking to Iran, with preparation of course, but there isn't anything sinister about sitting down and talking to the Iranians. We actually have encouraged the European Union to negotiate with Iran on its nuclear arsenal.

"It is better to jaw-jaw than to war-war." Winston Churchill.

Churchill is not known as an appeaser.

We talked to worse people who were actually attacking us in the past.

I don't get what all this hand-wringing is about. It just smells like more illogical fear and an outdated mindset that says we get to make all the rules and that we are always right.

When did giving diplomacy a try first become shameful?

Yes we have. Diplomacy first became shameful about the time this country started letting fear rule us.

[BigJon3475]

Originally Posted by varangian

We talked to worse people who were actually attacking us in the past.

I don't get what all this hand-wringing is about. It just smells like more illogical fear and an outdated mindset that says we get to make all the rules and that we are always right.

When did giving diplomacy a try first become shameful?

When the openly defy the rest of the UN's sanctions? This stuff is elementary. Talking to morons who wish other countries to be wiped off the face of the earth gives them legitimacy. You seriously think they deserve a chance at the table as they wish another holocaust?


We sat down with people like the USSR when we had military supremacy to destroy them. They also never said anything about genocide they just wished us all to become commies. All the other attempts to sit down with enemies ended up with US presidents being manhandled by Soviet Dictators. You know the Bay of Pigs. Carter signing the treaty as USSR planned the Afghanistan invasion. Signing the peace treaty with Hitler right before Crystal Night.

[varangian]

Originally Posted by BigJon3475

When the openly defy the rest of the UN's sanctions? This stuff is elementary. Talking to morons who wish other countries to be wiped off the face of the earth gives them legitimacy. You seriously think they deserve a chance at the table as they wish another holocaust?


We sat down with people like the USSR when we had military supremacy to destroy them. They also never said anything about genocide they just wished us all to become commies. All the other attempts to sit down with enemies ended up with US presidents being manhandled by Soviet Dictators. You know the Bay of Pigs. Carter signing the treaty as USSR planned the Afghanistan invasion. Signing the peace treaty with Hitler right before Crystal Night.

We are not the world police.

And we are actually no better than those you cite, after the past 8 years of terror we have visited on others.

And just because diplomacy doesn't work sometimes, doesn't mean you stop trying it.

Unless you have no honor.

[BigJon3475]

The North Atlantic Treaty

Washington D.C. - 4 April 1949

The Parties to this Treaty reaffirm their faith in the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations and their desire to live in peace with all peoples and all governments.
They are determined to safeguard the freedom, common heritage and civilisation of their peoples, founded on the principles of democracy, individual liberty and the rule of law. They seek to promote stability and well-being in the North Atlantic area.
They are resolved to unite their efforts for collective defence and for the preservation of peace and security. They therefore agree to this North Atlantic Treaty :

http://www.nato.int/docu/basictxt/treaty.htm (broken link)

WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED

http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/u51.gif (broken link) to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and
http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/u51.gif (broken link) to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, and
http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/u51.gif (broken link) to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained, and
http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/u51.gif (broken link) to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,


AND FOR THESE ENDS

http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/u51.gif (broken link) to practice tolerance and live together in peace with one another as good neighbours, and
http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/u51.gif (broken link) to unite our strength to maintain international peace and security, and
http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/u51.gif (broken link) to ensure, by the acceptance of principles and the institution of methods, that armed force shall not be used, save in the common interest, and
http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/u51.gif (broken link) to employ international machinery for the promotion of the economic and social advancement of all peoples,

HAVE RESOLVED TO COMBINE OUR EFFORTS TO ACCOMPLISH THESE AIMS

Accordingly, our respective Governments, through representatives assembled in the city of San Francisco, who have exhibited their full powers found to be in good and due form, have agreed to the present Charter of the United Nations and do hereby establish an international organization to be known as the United Nations.

http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/
http://www.un.org/Overview/uninbrief/

[Po the Patriot]

What I expect really if Obama loses?
race riots or race war

if Obama wins
I expect a second American revolution within 1 - 2 years.


and yes , terrorists will surge into this country to cause as much havoc as they can if Obama is elected

they will still try if Mccain is elected but they will not have as easy a go of it .

[minibrings]

LOL


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