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Old 11-02-2008, 07:14 PM
 
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You want to pay for this all out of pocket? Do you have a few hundred thou saved up in case you have to have surgery and be in the hospital for a few days? Because you'll need it.

Simply put, health care isn't like selling hamburgers, no matter what the conservative economists want you to think. You can't apply free market pricipals to health care.
No, you still need insurance, but the insurance industry and laws need a major overhaul....and less government.
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Old 11-02-2008, 07:20 PM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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I was looking at Obama's website to see if he really was the socialist everyone says he is. I was expecting to find him creating a massive new agency (Like Medicare Canada or the British NHS) that would force us all to join.

Actually I found that if I like my ins, I can stay on it (the freedom to choose is most important to me) and that Americans won't be required to be part of the "affordable" health care he would offer. Under his plan you don't have to be on any insurance at all, but it's there if you need it. Hillary Clinton, in contrast wanted to force you into getting insurance and would be willing to garnish your wages if you didn't (No wait...I heard that on Hannity...nevermind)

There was a lot more choice and didn't sound socialistic to me. I AM opposed to things like Canada's or the UK's health system. The UK is going through massive problems and I want no part of that, but Obama's plan, I could live with, as long as we can afford it.
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Old 11-02-2008, 07:20 PM
 
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Insurance and government regulations are part of the problem in my view. They eliminate free market and competitive pricing concepts from the equation and you end up with unrealistically high prices and other bad scenarios.
Why do people think insurance companies have been reaping HUGE profits? They have the backing of the US government... and people want that relationship to grow with socialized health care? Sometimes I ask myself, are people that short-sighted? What do people think all those lobbyists are doing to make that six figures salary? They are trying to make things worse for everybody with the government's help and people want more of this? I guess they see the quick buck or "less" payments and jump on board instead of trying to FIX the issue... unfortunately the "less" payments lasts about a month and will screw over Americans for hundreds of years... short-sighted fools... I remember social security tax was at 2% and PROMISED never EVER to increase... it is 12% now and they are saying its not enough... its going to 15% soon in a span of one generation... 2% to 15% in one generation... something is CLEARLY wrong with socialist policies...
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Old 11-02-2008, 07:22 PM
 
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With all due respect to your sister and her co-workers, there are many economists who disagree with them.

If my insides were bleeding Id go to your sister, if I wanted an analysis of an economic situation I'd politely listen to her opinion and then seek a qualified professional opinion to get facts from and think about the two stances on my own...which is what I have done.
Our highly skilled medical personnel aren't going to be teleported off the Earth yanno, if we have socialized care. We can have both, if it's done properly.

We'll have to disagree. You know why? because folks like you would never agree, even if irrefutable proof were put in front of you.

You'll just drag out a million vague "economic lessons" and excuses. I went to college to work in the economic sector, you have nothing but hazy excuses, and you aren't teaching me anything.

Good luck in the land of the locked mind.
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Old 11-02-2008, 07:22 PM
 
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Why do people think insurance companies have been reaping HUGE profits? They have the backing of the US government... and people want that relationship to grow with socialized health care? Sometimes I ask myself, are people that short-sighted? What do people think all those lobbyists are doing to make that six figures salary? They are trying to make things worse for everybody with the government's help and people want more of this? I guess they see the quick buck or "less" payments and jump on board instead of trying to FIX the issue... unfortunately the "less" payments lasts about a month and will screw over Americans for hundreds of years... short-sighted fools... I remember social security tax was at 2% and PROMISED never EVER to increase... it is 12% now and they are saying its not enough... its going to 15% soon in a span of one generation... 2% to 15% in one generation... something is CLEARLY wrong with socialist policies...
Good points.
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Old 11-02-2008, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Bonner County Spirit Valley
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If you believe anything a politician says or publishes during a campaign you are probably in for a let down. Chances are good that Obama has no idea what staffers have put on his website.
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Old 11-02-2008, 07:23 PM
 
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There are so many issues to choose from, but this one interests me the most. Me and my family are covered under the federal Blue Cross/Shield program. It's damn good insurance, but like everything else, the premiums keep increasing and the coverage goes down. The only way I could ever see universal healthcare passing is an all democratic Washington. Even so, I think it would be hard to pass. Does it really have a chance?
No. Obama really is a fiscal conservative and will never work for universal health care. He's not interested in that.
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Old 11-02-2008, 07:24 PM
 
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Our highly skilled medical personnel aren't going to be teleported off the Earth yanno, if we have socialized care. We can have both, if it's done properly.

We'll have to disagree. You know why? because folks like you would never agree, even if irrefutable proof were put in front of you.

You'll just drag out a million vague "economic lessons" and excuses. I went to college to work in the economic sector, you have nothing but hazy excuses, and you aren't teaching me anything.

Good luck in the land of the locked mind.
"folks like you"

By that I guess you mean people with opinions based on what they believe to be true? I'm sorry that my readings of some very well respected economists have led me to have an opinion that disagrees with yours. VEry open minded of you to call me names over it instead though.
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Old 11-02-2008, 07:26 PM
 
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I don't know about you, but I think I'm too old to still believe in fairy tales.
I really don't understand Americans who have no faith in innovation. It seems very un-American to me.
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Old 11-02-2008, 07:28 PM
 
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I really don't understand Americans who have no faith in innovation. It seems very un-American to me.
I have lots of faith in innovation...it takes capital and competition to get it though...two things that socialized health care doesnt have much of.
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