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Old 11-06-2008, 11:22 PM
 
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Indeed. The "Obama is a Socialist" claims were garbage from the start. Obama is far more in the center than most folks on this board realize.

Ken
I couldn't even bring myself to respond to that drivel. The Bush tax cuts were due to expire on their own if I'm not mistaken and Obama wasn't planning on renewing them and I guess that is what the cherry flavoring in the Jim juice was all about. *shrugs*

Looking at this from another angle though, I see Republicans having a lot of trouble trying to counter Obama because of the issues he chose to focus on. As pointed out earlier, fiscal responsibility and defense/foreign policy matters are normally the realm of Republicans and he went straight at these issues. Just as he didn't try to just win blue states, he went deep into some red ones.

Granted, we are all talking speculation and hypotheticals here based on little evidence so far, but I believe it is going to be a very interesting and captivating next few months.
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Old 11-06-2008, 11:25 PM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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Looking at this from another angle though, I see Republicans having a lot of trouble trying to counter Obama because of the issues he chose to focus on. As pointed out earlier, fiscal responsibility and defense/foreign policy matters are normally the realm of Republicans and he went straight at these issues. Just as he didn't try to just win blue states, he went deep into some red ones.
It's hard to counter Obama's stances when your candidate agrees with most of them. Especially the economic one.
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Old 11-06-2008, 11:27 PM
 
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I don't disagree with your assertion that he is a consensus builder as everything I have seen so far seems to also indicate this. Which is why I say that coastal liberals are likely to be more disappointed than moderate Republicans. In fact, he made a statement to that effect either in his acceptance speech or just before.

I see Obama as viewing himself as some kind of modern FDR or even to a lesser degree a Reaganesque figure (not literally) but in the sense of not wanting to be just President but being a President of a generation. In order to do this I suspect he will have to seriously reach across the aisle in order to build a broader based coalition in Congress, after all, where else are the hard left going to go? As you yourself pointed out, he is appearing to be a consensus kind of guy, and that would seem to indicate something broader than just Democrats.

I may be completely wrong, but I suspect here in the next four months we will get an idea of where he plans on heading. I just think the surprise will be on the left more than the middle.
I haven't had a chance to read the article in the OP yet,but I do remember him(somewhere) saying he really respected Reagan,which did surprise me coming from a democrat. At the rally I attended,he really tried to stress how our grandparents pulled together & made this country great after WWII; I got the sense he has a great deal of respect for what we call "The Greatest Generation", likely due to the influence of his own Grandparents.
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Old 11-06-2008, 11:30 PM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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I haven't had a chance to read the article in the OP yet,but I do remember him(somewhere) saying he really respected Reagan,which did surprise me coming from a democrat. At the rally I attended,he really tried to stress how our grandparents pulled together & made this country great after WWII; I got the sense he has a great deal of respect for what we call "The Greatest Generation", likely due to the influence of his own Grandparents.
Reagan got the support of a lot of Democrats after Jimmy Carter. He gave people hope more than results though. Obama is likely to do the same. If he can manage to turn the economy around even a little, he'll win another term, just like Reagan.
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Old 11-06-2008, 11:32 PM
 
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It's hard to counter Obama's stances when your candidate agrees with most of them. Especially the economic one.
Exactly!

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I haven't had a chance to read the article in the OP yet,but I do remember him(somewhere) saying he really respected Reagan,which did surprise me coming from a democrat. At the rally I attended,he really tried to stress how our grandparents pulled together & made this country great after WWII; I got the sense he has a great deal of respect for what we call "The Greatest Generation", likely due to the influence of his own Grandparents.
I have noticed his use of several references to Reagan in speeches. In poker they might call something like that a "tell".

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Obama is a conservative by a long shot but, I see him moving into a political position that will be hard to counter barring some unforeseen event.
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Old 11-06-2008, 11:33 PM
 
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I thnik if you take the view that centralised governamnt then Obama is a american liveral to teh far right in what he has said he will do. In the end what he will actrually be abe to do is something else.In the end he probably will not get to do waht he proposes just mlike evry president. Celeary Polosi says that he will not in her governaing fron teh center satement I heard today. But it hard to believe what she says verus what she has done as leader of the house.My guess is they will lok like they want to co-operate on both sides until it gets to real hard issues that divide them. At first they will do the easy thngs they can compromise on. But when it gets to issues that their bases are firm on;thngs will change. Rove was talking about the campaign not his proposals. If you look at centralist planning of the economy and control of the means and wealth of production ;he was to the far left of the democratic party. No president in my recolection talked about redistribution of wealth by government like he has.
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Old 11-06-2008, 11:41 PM
 
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Reagan got the support of a lot of Democrats after Jimmy Carter. He gave people hope more than results though. Obama is likely to do the same. If he can manage to turn the economy around even a little, he'll win another term, just like Reagan.
I don't remember much of or know much about the Reagan years,as they began when I was like 11 ...so I'll take y'all's word for it!
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Old 11-06-2008, 11:43 PM
 
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I don't remember much of or know much about the Reagan years,as they began when I was like 11 ...so I'll take y'all's word for it!
That is kind of funny because one of Reagan's most famous lines in history was, "I don't recall".
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Old 11-06-2008, 11:52 PM
 
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That is kind of funny because one of Reagan's most famous lines in history was, "I don't recall".
Well, I DO remember THAT !! Likely from SNL or some such.
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Old 11-06-2008, 11:53 PM
 
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I agree that he is a consensus builder which is why his cabinet picks are important. However, I think he and Nancy will have a lot more disagreement than most expect. She's going to want to go above and beyond. I listened to her yesterday on NPR. She's got a HUGE spending program she wants to roll out from the very start. And while Obama will want to tackle some things right away, they will likely disagree on how to do it. Like SCHIP and the next stimulus package.
I think we may somewhat agree here, but see it from a different approach. Taking the programs you mention that Pelosi wants to roll out, what I see Obama doing isn't picking and chosing/altering these ideas, but rather prioritizing them as to how he would roll them out in stages.

You may view this as his not supporting Pelosi, while I would see it as being fully supportive.
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