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Old 11-07-2008, 10:43 AM
 
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Kind of what I thought. Peace.
Peace.
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Old 11-07-2008, 10:55 AM
 
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Tell me how many people are DIRECTLY employed by a homeless man? How many are employed by a middle class family? And just how many are employed by Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, etc. etc.... We don't need to protect the wealthy... We need sensible logic and fairness.. A business can only grow when their business model requires more workers... protecting the wealthy does not necessarily mean increase workers... some are more likely to grow and others will not grow... we cannot simply lump "wealthy" as if they are just one entity... that is the problem with America, they tend to lump people in categories instead of using their brains and actually think about it...
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Old 11-07-2008, 10:56 AM
 
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Look at it this way.

If you have a business in the USA and on in China and you are looking to expand that business where would you expand it???

Boys and girls, taxes are not nor have been the reason for outsourcing. Matel's toys are not made in China because of taxes, the Bank of American isn't outsourcing it's IT work to India because of the tax rate. All this talk about tax rates closing businesses or leading to outsourcing to foreign countries are frankly a red herring. The price of labor seeking equilibrium on a world market is the main factor.

As has been noted, the difference between CEO salaries and wages paid on the "shop floor" are at record levels. If wages and salaries for the workforce continue to decline, yet CEO salaries continue to rise, it is only logical that the tax burden has to be shifted to those whose incomes continue to rise in real dollars rather than those whose income is stagnant or declining.
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Old 11-07-2008, 12:33 PM
 
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Tell me how many people are DIRECTLY employed by a homeless man? How many are employed by a middle class family? And just how many are employed by Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, etc. etc.... We don't need to protect the wealthy... We need sensible logic and fairness.. A business can only grow when their business model requires more workers... protecting the wealthy does not necessarily mean increase workers... some are more likely to grow and others will not grow... we cannot simply lump "wealthy" as if they are just one entity... that is the problem with America, they tend to lump people in categories instead of using their brains and actually think about it...
See you're missing the point here. Most of us understand what the rich's role is however that understanding is not enough alone to warrant the breaks they get now, let alone to give them more breaks.

The idea you're referring to assumes that those same people have a sense of ownership about their role in the country. Yes a good number of people employ people in the states because that's what has to happen for them to maintain a US presence.

It's not an all or nothing scenario. There is a middle ground that can be found. If there weren't so many examples of outright abuse of the system by the wealthy you might have a point. So maybe a few are spoiling it for the many on the rich's side however their shortcomings have a far greater impact on the rest of us that they need to be held to a higher standard.
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Old 11-07-2008, 01:05 PM
 
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We have sent millions of jobs oversees, the 20-year unemployment rate is about the same, and we are importing millions of Mexicans to fill jobs that Americans won't do. Can you reconcile these facts?
It's not my job to reconcile facts and figures. Let's get something straight right now, I'm not a dem nor a repub, both parties make me sick. It's a constant tug-o-war just to see who can win. I would rather focus on doing what's right for this country and the citizens in it. I could care less about all the bs politics surrounding bs decisions and I just want what's right for the citizens of this country. That's why we can't continue the economic policies that make it ok to benefit of sending jobs overseas. I mean if we do that, we might as well outsource everything and we'll all sit back and collect unemployment. Anyway, we can go back to producing things in this country or we can continue down the same path. This is my opinion and my last word on the subject.
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Old 11-07-2008, 02:10 PM
 
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Ahhhhh!!! A fresh breath of intelligence!!!! Thanks for the post...

The policy of generous tax breaks to the wealthy is part of a failed economic policy called 'Trickle Down Economics'. It was started by Reagan, and continued with GW Bush... Theoretically some of the wealth will 'trickle down' from the rich to the peons (us)... In reality, the wealthy just got incredibly more greedy and wanted to keep everything and nothing trickled down...

Nothing is wrong with going back to the Carter tax plan....

Far far more jobs were created under Carter than under Bush, and middle-class standards of living went up under Carter, they went down under Bush...

Figure it out for yourself - and don't let some of the maniac detractors on this forum try to tell you that the world will end if taxes are raised on the rich... They're merely promoting their own self-serving agenda and could care less about people like you.
Carter? Are you sure you didn't mean Clinton? Carter = sky high interest rates and unemployment rates. He was a walking, talking disaster.
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Old 11-07-2008, 02:13 PM
 
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The nagging little details are what got you confuddled.

The rich are creating millions of jobs. In China. In Indonesia. In India.

"Country first!"
That's a result of corporate taxes choking businesses. When taxes goes up, businesses find ways of cutting costs (layoffs and outsourcing jobs) and they pass on the taxes to the consumers by raising prices.
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Old 11-07-2008, 03:10 PM
 
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See, this is what I always find amazing. These people have been manipulated to believe tax breaks to the middle class and poor are handouts/socialism, but pouring BILLIONS of dollars into FAILED corporations is okay. I will never understand this.

~ButterBrownBiscuit~


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So you build your own freeways and roads?

You do your own safety and health checks on food and products?

you put out your own house fires?

You build your own library?

You fight your own wars with your own weapons?

You say to hell with wounded veterans?

You don't want safe drinking water?




Now, let's talk about a hand out.


The FAILED financial institutions got an 800 BILLION (and counting!) FREE HAND OUT!

The FAILED CEO's got 70 BILLION in BONUSES for their financial terrorist attack on America.



Why do you thnk the uber wealthy deserve a hand out and you don't????
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Old 11-07-2008, 03:14 PM
 
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See, this is what I always find amazing. These people have been manipulated to believe tax breaks to the middle class and poor are handouts/socialism, but pouring BILLIONS of dollars into FAILED corporations is okay. I will never understand this.

~ButterBrownBiscuit~
I don't either....not one of them comes back and says, Oh, I didn't know that FACT, I guess I'll re-evaluate my opinion."


Nope! 'Cause they have way too good of a time looking down their noses at those they think are less than they are....it's a form of cowardice.


They are scared shipless of the Uber wealthy and worship them as gods.....
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Old 11-07-2008, 03:25 PM
 
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Businesses are not outsourcing jobs because of taxes. They are sending jobs oversees (primarily India & Asia) because they are able to pay those employees a fraction of what would have to pay here.

~ButterBrownBiscuit~

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That's a result of corporate taxes choking businesses. When taxes goes up, businesses find ways of cutting costs (layoffs and outsourcing jobs) and they pass on the taxes to the consumers by raising prices.
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