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Old 11-11-2008, 11:17 AM
 
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There seems to be a recurring theme throughout all of these threads; the hypocrisy of African Americans. There doesn't seem to be much discussion on how the campaign opposing Prop 8 was presented, there does seem to be much discussion of attitudes about gays and lesbians in society in general or the African American community in particular. There also seems to be a total absence of correlating religious conviction in the African American community with how that correlates to opinions regarding gays and lesbians amongst religious adherents in general, which leaves me with the impression that all this is simply a substitute for a more general assault on African Americans. Taking into consideration that 30% of African Americans voted to oppose the proposition and the fact that all African Americans don't live in California, such sweeping indictments gives, this observe, the feeling that most of these attacks are bit disingenuous, to say the very least.
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Old 10-28-2009, 09:08 AM
 
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Default Not a Brilliant Chess Move

I found the results of Prop 8 to be morbidly disgusting! Although I am a Black heterosexual female, nevertheless I have always supported gay marriages, same-sex adoptions, as well as upholding the Supreme Court decision of Roe V Wade. Unfortunately, Christianity has a played a vital role in many Black communities. Many African Americans are physically liberal, but socially conservative. What went wrong with Prop 8 and the Black vote? A.S.S.U.M.P.T.I.O.N and BAD MARKETING! There is a smaller percentage of Blacks living in California than any other ethnicity group. There are more faith-based televised sermons advertised on BET, than MTV or VH1. There were no grassroots campaign pushing the opposition agenda of Prop 8 in Black and Hispanic urban/suburban areas. Kanye West, a rapper who has openly expressed his support for gay marriages would have been a great spokesperson for the Black community. Politics is a game of chess, and Prop 8 is just one of the 16 pieces! The Mormans understood their religious constituents. If you want to forward a faith based agenda among minorities, then target the Black churches. President Bush did this during his Presidential campaign. Trying to push Prop 8 right after the Presidential victory of President Obama {without gaining a favorable amount of attention to this subject from Blacks and Hispanics} was infantile. You want Prop 8 eradicated? Then reach out to the Black community. It's NEVER too late! I still support same sex marriages
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Old 10-28-2009, 09:09 AM
 
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Default Here's a Brilliant Chess Move...

Here is a great chess move. According to DADI, 69% of births among Black women were to unwed mothers. Black women are the least likely to be married (more than any other women of any different ethnicity). Call the Black churches out on their hypocrisy. The older pre-Civil Rights generation do not believe that Gay-Marriage is a civil rights issue, so don't make it one! It's a losing battle! Instead create this argument, "Why are so many African-Americans concerned about respecting the institution of marriage, when so many children in Black communities are being born out of wedlock?" This would be a great debate to take on with Black pastors. A widely publicized debate on BET with pastors {like Creflo A. Dollar and TD Jakes}, would push the issue among many young voters in HBCUs (historically Black Colleges and Universities). Target the Black Gay Elite in Atlanta, Georgia to pull further resources. They are well connected to many other Black organizations and learning institutions. I hate to admit this, but the failure of Prop 8 did not lie with the Mormans or religious Blacks. The failure lied with the upper-middle class gay elite who refused to form allies with the Black and Hispanic communities. The Morman churches CAME PREPARED!
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Old 10-28-2009, 09:43 AM
 
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I see the issue a bit differently. I think the "Black church" fell in line with most of the other opposition to Prop 8. That is, they insist of defining marriage as between a man and a woman.

I'm not sure where the hypocrisy comes from. Does the Black church value marriage differently than other churches? I honestly don't know because while I'm Black, I'm not a church-goer.

As for gay marriage in general, I'm all for it. I think society benefits when two people, regardless of gender, commit to each other. I do think it's fruitless to try and win the support and acceptance from the religious community on this matter. My understanding is that many people draw their opposition to gay marriage from the Bible and while others, even religious people, may disagree, such people are unlikely to be convinced otherwise.

This is what "marriage" would look like in my world:

Two consenting adults may form a civil union. Civil unions recognized by a church body shall be called "marriages". Civil unions and marriages shall enjoy the same rights and privileges by the state.

This way, churches are free to do what they will and gay people are free to be equal. If a church wishes to condemn homosexuality, let them do so. Gay people who may be members of such a church are free to look for another church.
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Old 10-28-2009, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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One thing I want to point out is the 70% number was deemed to be simply really poor exit polling once the vote totals were broken down to precinct level data. African Americans still voted to overturn gay marriage, but not nearly at the rates the exit polling suggested.
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