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Old 11-15-2008, 06:32 AM
 
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sorry but there is nothing "intellectual" about a Conservative and the label reflects that. What do you think a conservative means? Status Quo and there is nothing progressive about that.
Padcrasher the US is starting to look more like the Taliban in Afghanistan than the Founding fathers who founded this nation.
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Old 11-15-2008, 08:45 AM
 
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I've thought about this too. I've always considered myself a conservative, but I work in the public school system. And I've been amazed at the number of conservatives who want to get rid of public schools, who trash my profession as useless, and don't have a high view of education. Many (not all) equate "Educated" with "Liberal/Leftist/Anti-God" Sure, most profs and teachers are probably to the left, but that doesn't mean that education itself leads to liberalism. That's idea's just dangerous. Being educated is good.

Both regular folks and intellectuals are good people, and both are needed in society, but it seems that many conservatives--the ones who really speak for the movement--don't place any value on higher education, which might explain why they thought the Obamas didn't achieve anything, despite making it to ivy league schools from humble beginnings. No, that's not achievement, it's not worth noting
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Old 11-15-2008, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Catonsville, MD
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Our local Conservative talk show host Jason Lewis said that we should oppose PeaceCorps because they are "Liberal socialist indoctrination camps". It seems like volunteering your time to help improve somebody else's lives is frowned upon by some Conservatives. According to him, "PeaceCorps members engage in "liberal projects" I guess, teaching business skills and self-sufficiency to the less privileged is not a positive thing in their eyes.
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It all depends on how you do it. The Devil is always in the details. Involuntary indoctrination is a liberal standard because the values of these folks are out of step with ordinary Americans and fly in the face of rational thought. The public school system is, and always has been, ground zero for the lefty loons and their twisted logic because the adult mind will call them on it every time. So vouchers are out of the question for the next two years. This too shall pass.

Momonkey what are you talking about???? I was a Peace Corps volunteer and about the last thing that I was doing was involuntary indoctrination. Indoctrination of what???? I was there helping teachers get basic skills in math and English (their lingua franca) as well as helping my fellow villagers acquire materials to revamp their gravity-fed water system. I only discussed politics in America if I was asked. I was forbidden to discuss local politics (that's grounds for ejection from the country and from Peace Corps.)

How exactly do you know what MY values are??? When I left for Peace Corps, I was about as ordinary an American as you could find. I grew up in a Republican middle-class household and all I wanted to do was see the world and use what skills I had to do some good somewhere. Does that make my values out of step with ordinary Americans? I would surely hope that there are still a lot of American people left who want to use their skills to help other people.

Indoctrination had nothing to do with why I joined Peace Corps nor what I did when I was there. And there is not a single other Peace Corps volunteer I know who had indoctrination on his or her mind. I also worked at Peace Corps headquarters in DC for 7 years after I returned from my Peace Corps service, so I knew a whole bunch of Peace Corps volunteers. I will admit that my Peace Corps time DID help shape me into the liberal I've become today and maybe that's what disturbs you about Peace Corps. It's really not what I did to people overseas as far as indoctrination goes, but how my time helping other people and learning about the world helped to shape my current political beliefs.

When I left for Africa, I didn't even know what liberal or conservative really meant. Obviously, from my posts, I have changed from the Republicanism of my early adulthood to what some may see as an elitist commie pinko leftwing socialist Democrat. In all actuality, I just don't agree with most of the messages and many of the values that the Replican party now espouses.
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Old 11-15-2008, 10:41 AM
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Reading the above reminded me of my friend's daughter who just joined the Peace Corps. My friend's family is big in the Republican Party in Pueblo, CO, and my friend herself voted for McCain. Proving a couple of points here: Republicans join the Peace Corps, and Republicans and Democrats can be friends.
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Old 11-15-2008, 10:53 AM
 
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cmacf1, thank you for serving in the Peace Corps, and thanks again for calling out the kool aid crowd that posts on here.

Ironically, these same sorry shameless shrill shriekers find nothing at all to whine about when young people go do the same things that you did, but do it as part of some religious organization. It's those religious groups where the real involuntary indoctrination is found, but they turn it around and accuse the non-sectarian groups of doing that. It's all part of a vast GOP right wing conspiracy of hypocrisy and transferring their own guilt onto others. They're sick, and sickening.

Regarding anti-intellectualism in the GOP, the Wall Street Journal, a bastion of conservative big-money GOP types, spoke to this sad state of GOP affairs in a recent piece: The Perils of 'Populist Chic' - WSJ.com

Excerpts from the article:

- no matter our political affiliations, we should all, GOP and DEM alike, toast the return of Gov Sarah Palin to Juneau, AK...

- McCain's choice of Palin was not a fluke, a senior moment, or an act of desperation. It was the result of a long campaign by influential conservative intellectuals to find a young, populist leader to whom they might hitch their wagons in the future. And not just any intellectuals. It was the editors of National Review and the Weekly Standard, magazines that present themselves as heirs to the sophisticated conservatism of William F. Buckley and the bookish seriousness of the New York neoconservatives. After the campaign for Sarah Palin, those intellectual traditions may now be pronounced officially dead.

- So what happened? How could younger conservative intellectuals promote a candidate like Sarah Palin, whose ignorance, provinciality and populist demagoguery represent everything older conservative thinkers once stood against?


IMO, the GOP is taking advantage of the dumbing-down of the citizens. If the citizens were well educated and astute in matters of politics, they could appeal to them on intellectual terms. But since major portions of our people are little more than Beavis and Butthead types, or "King of the Hill" types, there's no way to appeal to them intellectually. Such tirds must be approached at the gutter level of thought, where they are found. Palin was the poster child for that appeal; a cheap, tacky set of sound bites designed to crank up the anger in the drooling masses of knuckle-dragging goons of the far right "Guns and God" squad of Floyd R Turbo evango-fascist idiots.

By contrast, the Democratic party appeals greatly to the college educated masses of middle America, and will more so as Obama helps more people get educated and rise abve their church and family-imposed ignorance.
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Old 11-15-2008, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Dorchester
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Yes, only in America is being a Professor a bad thing. The World over if you are a professor, you are highly respected.

That's how bad it is here. ( And sign of a society/nation on the decline)

AM radio right wing hate talk provides the "thinking" for Millions of right wing lemmings.
Give me one good reason why I should respect a professor's point of view any more than I should respect anyone else's point of view.

Let me get this straight. We don't listen to a bunch of loony lefty professors spouting anti-american values and the nation goes into a decline?

You are out of your mind!
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Old 11-15-2008, 11:34 AM
 
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Give me one good reason why I should respect a professor's point of view any more than I should respect anyone else's point of view.

Let me get this straight. We don't listen to a bunch of loony lefty professors spouting anti-american values and the nation goes into a decline?

You are out of your mind!
Okay, have it your way. Should you ever need open heart surgery, please avoid university-trained medical intellectuals and take your sick ass to Joe the Plumber and let him take a hammer and chisel to your chest.
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Old 11-15-2008, 11:36 AM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Give me one good reason why I should respect a professor's point of view any more than I should respect anyone else's point of view.

Let me get this straight. We don't listen to a bunch of loony lefty professors spouting anti-american values and the nation goes into a decline?

You are out of your mind!
I think you should respect a professor's point of view on subjects about which they know something. This means a biology professor's POV on stem-cell research, fruit-fly research, etc. is more valid than Sarah Palin's. A physics professor knows more about nuclear energy than Sarah Palin. Etc.
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Old 11-15-2008, 11:41 AM
 
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Okay, have it your way. Should you ever need open heart surgery, please avoid university-trained medical intellectuals and take your sick ass to Joe the Plumber and let him take a hammer and chisel to your chest.
Equating a surgeon with a leftist professor at Columbia or some other bastion of all that is liberal is ridiculous.
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Old 11-15-2008, 11:52 AM
 
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cmacf1, thank you for serving in the Peace Corps, and thanks again for calling out the kool aid crowd that posts on here.

Ironically, these same sorry shameless shrill shriekers find nothing at all to whine about when young people go do the same things that you did, but do it as part of some religious organization. It's those religious groups where the real involuntary indoctrination is found, but they turn it around and accuse the non-sectarian groups of doing that. It's all part of a vast GOP right wing conspiracy of hypocrisy and transferring their own guilt onto others. They're sick, and sickening.

Regarding anti-intellectualism in the GOP, the Wall Street Journal, a bastion of conservative big-money GOP types, spoke to this sad state of GOP affairs in a recent piece: The Perils of 'Populist Chic' - WSJ.com

Excerpts from the article:

- no matter our political affiliations, we should all, GOP and DEM alike, toast the return of Gov Sarah Palin to Juneau, AK...

- McCain's choice of Palin was not a fluke, a senior moment, or an act of desperation. It was the result of a long campaign by influential conservative intellectuals to find a young, populist leader to whom they might hitch their wagons in the future. And not just any intellectuals. It was the editors of National Review and the Weekly Standard, magazines that present themselves as heirs to the sophisticated conservatism of William F. Buckley and the bookish seriousness of the New York neoconservatives. After the campaign for Sarah Palin, those intellectual traditions may now be pronounced officially dead.

- So what happened? How could younger conservative intellectuals promote a candidate like Sarah Palin, whose ignorance, provinciality and populist demagoguery represent everything older conservative thinkers once stood against?


IMO, the GOP is taking advantage of the dumbing-down of the citizens. If the citizens were well educated and astute in matters of politics, they could appeal to them on intellectual terms. But since major portions of our people are little more than Beavis and Butthead types, or "King of the Hill" types, there's no way to appeal to them intellectually. Such tirds must be approached at the gutter level of thought, where they are found. Palin was the poster child for that appeal; a cheap, tacky set of sound bites designed to crank up the anger in the drooling masses of knuckle-dragging goons of the far right "Guns and God" squad of Floyd R Turbo evango-fascist idiots.

By contrast, the Democratic party appeals greatly to the college educated masses of middle America, and will more so as Obama helps more people get educated and rise abve their church and family-imposed ignorance.
Now this is the most amazing thing...................who do you think has had control of the American education system that has produced all these unspeakably dumb people over the past several decades? Hint: it is not the conservatives. The liberals are mainly responsible for the trashing our once world class public education system with their harebrained schemes such as Whole Language, New Math, social promotions and dumping classes like Government and Civics in favor of Cultural Sensitivity and revisionist history. [mod cut]

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