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Old 11-17-2008, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Very interesting article about anti intellectualism in the Republican party. I could not agree more! Ignorance and anti-intellectualism have become the trademarks of the GOP.


The Washington Monthly

It's true.

The GOP I supported was concerned with fiscal responsibility, minimal federal interference in private lives, and noninterventionist foreign policy. It has abandoned ALL of those positions and become small-minded, greedy, and control-freakish. Their alliance with the radical religious fruitcakes is one of the most visible symptoms of their move away from rationality.

I'll probably spend the rest of my life opposing them.
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Old 11-17-2008, 11:50 AM
 
Location: in Music Forum w/feeling or Metal
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Oh tell the truth for once about what has happened to our party! we get on tv and state Obama is a marxist... a socialist... a terrorist... an arab... not born from this country... sponsered by his prince father etc etc etc! I'm sick of it! "...the conservative intellectual tradition is already dead", is true. We could have won this election on merit, REAL truth, and high ideas... now we are no better , in fact, worse than the "liberals" we criticized.

We've become an ignorant fringe bordering on fascism... intellectually lazy, morally bankrupted (deliberately mislead people for a vote), submissively frightened by myths of "the other", while enjoying "inspired" satanic pleasures that destroy other human beings in the name of "God".

No wonder we're (young people) leaving in droves. God has left this party long time ago... Elders are parasites that feed on the young here; they take our energy, our time, our hopes, our dreams and twist them into quivering masses of fear. I miss Ronald Reagan's principles... he was old but had a young mind. We feared a better version of ourselves reflected in Obama. Thats the F&&&&&g truth.

A lecturer of constutional law at the university of chicago's law school... yea we weren't told that. Was born from an Irish decendant .. yea we weren't told that either. Birth certificate CONFIRMED by health official and the registra... we were kept in the dark about that. Kenya government has no document of his birth there... we weren't told that. Even if he had citizenship in Indonesia... it makes no hill of beans cause American law over-rides the law of muslims.... we weren't told that. (1952 Immigration & Nationality Act, Title III, Chapter 3, Sections 349 and 355). A microfilm announcement was found in a 1961 Star Bulletin newspaper of Obama's birth stored on microfilm at the Hawaii State Library in Honolulu which prints birth announcements directly from the Health Department records. We DEFINIETLY weren't told THAT. ... and it goes on and on...

Republican leaders ARE corrupted. They twist and lie, do not respect the young or their dreams. God is a tool that was used by them and we never looked any deeper than that. I never looked deeper than that for which I am ashamed. I see now how nazi's were built from the inside... intellectual query stifled... no wonder at the end McCain stated Obama was a good man... he knew the truth all along but knew he couldn't run on it. Leave the republican party's old sack of decrepit bones and build a new party of young people who value truth. Never give your allegiance to a liar, a manipulator or a moderate again. Conservatives need to shake the pollution from their shoes, repent to God, then get some fire in the belly and support our own agenda. We must take control and re-establish the values that lifted this great nation. If that means leaving the republican party then leave. We can come together outside of this prevailing drudge of filth. At the very least go Independent. Get out of the republican party's influence and reclaim your God again.
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Old 11-17-2008, 11:58 AM
 
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Old Gringo, you aren't the only one who noticed this. Among the many millions who have are the writers and editors at super-conservative "The Economist" magazine out of London, a nation with it's own strongly conservative history.

Thanks to Upton for posting this SHIP OF FOOLS link in another thread.

Key excerpts:

- Political parties die from the head down...

- Many conservatives—particularly lower-income ones—are consumed with elemental fury about everything from immigration to liberal do-gooders. They take their opinions from talk-radio hosts such as Rush Limbaugh and the deeply unsubtle Sean Hannity. And they regard Mrs Palin’s apparent ignorance not as a problem but as a badge of honour.

- The Republicans lost the battle of ideas even more comprehensively than they lost the battle for educated votes, marching into the election armed with nothing more than slogans. Energy? Just drill, baby, drill. Global warming? Crack a joke about Ozone Al. Immigration? Send the bums home. Torture and Guantánamo? Wear a T-shirt saying you would rather be water-boarding. Ha ha. During the primary debates, 30% of Republican candidates admitted that they did not believe in evolution.

- Business conservatives worry the party has lost the business vote. Moderates complain the GOP is becoming the party of “white-trash pride”. Anonymous McCain aides complain that Mrs Palin was a campaign-destroying “whack job”.

There are too many good quotes in the article to post them all, for more pithy English insights into our politics, hit the link.
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Old 11-17-2008, 12:15 PM
 
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Oh tell the truth for once about what has happened to our party! we get on tv and state Obama is a marxist... a socialist... a terrorist... an arab... not born from this country... sponsered by his prince father etc etc etc! I'm sick of it! "...the conservative intellectual tradition is already dead", is true. We could have won this election on merit, REAL truth, and high ideas... now we are no better , in fact, worse than the "liberals" we criticized.

We've become an ignorant fringe bordering on fascism... intellectually lazy, morally bankrupted (deliberately mislead people for a vote), submissively frightened by myths of "the other", while enjoying "inspired" satanic pleasures that destroy other human beings in the name of "God".

No wonder we're (young people) leaving in droves. God has left this party long time ago... Elders are parasites that feed on the young here; they take our energy, our time, our hopes, our dreams and twist them into quivering masses of fear. I miss Ronald Reagan's principles... he was old but had a young mind. We feared a better version of ourselves reflected in Obama. Thats the F&&&&&g truth.

A lecturer of constutional law at the university of chicago's law school... yea we weren't told that. Was born from an Irish decendant .. yea we weren't told that either. Birth certificate CONFIRMED by health official and the registra... we were kept in the dark about that. Kenya government has no document of his birth there... we weren't told that. Even if he had citizenship in Indonesia... it makes no hill of beans cause American law over-rides the law of muslims.... we weren't told that. (1952 Immigration & Nationality Act, Title III, Chapter 3, Sections 349 and 355). A microfilm announcement was found in a 1961 Star Bulletin newspaper of Obama's birth stored on microfilm at the Hawaii State Library in Honolulu which prints birth announcements directly from the Health Department records. We DEFINIETLY weren't told THAT. ... and it goes on and on...

Republican leaders ARE corrupted. They twist and lie, do not respect the young or their dreams. God is a tool that was used by them and we never looked any deeper than that. I never looked deeper than that for which I am ashamed. I see now how nazi's were built from the inside... intellectual query stifled... no wonder at the end McCain stated Obama was a good man... he knew the truth all along but knew he couldn't run on it. Leave the republican party's old sack of decrepit bones and build a new party of young people who value truth. Never give your allegiance to a liar, a manipulator or a moderate again. Conservatives need to shake the pollution from their shoes, repent to God, then get some fire in the belly and support our own agenda. We must take control and re-establish the values that lifted this great nation. If that means leaving the republican party then leave. We can come together outside of this prevailing drudge of filth. At the very least go Independent. Get out of the republican party's influence and reclaim your God again.
Great post. The resentful right shows every sign it intends to stay as "incurious" as ever - a huge important part of its profile, exploited to the hilt by their manipulators in the GOP. I look forward with great interest to ways the right changes as its thinking people break away - to do what?
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Old 11-17-2008, 12:20 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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And that presupposes that "proficient on the NAEP" is actually a reasonable standard, which it really isn't.
jps-teacher believes the NAEP proficiency standards aren't reasonable.

Take a look at the NAEP sample questions to see if you think it's reasonable to expect our public school students to correctly answer a sufficient number of questions:
The Nation's Report Card - Test Yourself - Subject Selection

Too easy? Too hard? What do you think?

Keep in mind that in every state, less than half of the public school students test as proficient or above on Reading and Math on the NAEP.
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Old 11-17-2008, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Very interesting article about anti intellectualism in the Republican party. I could not agree more! Ignorance and anti-intellectualism have become the trademarks of the GOP.


The Washington Monthly

Do you think you're one?
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Old 11-17-2008, 12:35 PM
 
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There wasn't a Republican supermajority in the Senate during any of the Bush Administration. Grassley's legislation couldn't pass cloture. Grassley's attempt to improve gifted education met much the same fate as Sununu's/Dole's/Hegel's/McCain's legislation proposing to regulate and provide more oversight to Fannie and Freddie in 2001, 2003, and 2005.
Grassley's bills never had a cloture problem that I am aware of, when I followed that stuff regularly. It might pass the Senate and die in conference committee or just die in the Senate, outright.

For example, the 2003 version never got reported out of committee. In the Senate, he had 13 co-sponsors, 7 Democrats and 6 Republicans. In the House, Gallegly had 27 co-sponsors, 8 Republicans, 18 Democrats, and 1 independent.

The 2008 Javitts bill saw Dodd working with Grassley. And Grassley did finally get a change made in the Higher Ed piece to potentially increase teacher training in gifted issues.

This is a bi-partisan effort - and even more so a bipartisan failure. A super majority is not what is called for - though it would help.
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Old 11-17-2008, 12:38 PM
 
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jps-teacher believes the NAEP proficiency standards aren't reasonable.

Take a look at the NAEP sample questions to see if you think it's reasonable to expect our public school students to correctly answer a sufficient number of questions:
The Nation's Report Card - Test Yourself - Subject Selection

Too easy? Too hard? What do you think?

Keep in mind that in every state, less than half of the public school students test as proficient or above on Reading and Math on the NAEP.
Too low a standard.

And I assure you, I cannot forget that info.
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Old 11-17-2008, 12:43 PM
 
Location: in Music Forum w/feeling or Metal
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delusianne... my hope is that we can walk as Jesus walked in the world... and if it appears to be liberal looking... accept that. To throw away the old conventions of what a conservative "looks like". To have the ability to prize intellectualism or at the very least gapple with it. To accept the inner struggle it takes to refine your heart, mind and soul. To have courage before evil, whether within yourself or others and to encourage a return to the finer being within. To have the courage to state truth, support truth wherever we find it and to never be convinced again that to walk the way of Jesus only part-time; to fight for the whats right for the American human family (a family of us all)... to be thought of as righteous, fair, as Jesus showed. And to never ever promote falsehoods for a vote. To never sell the "Jesus" within us so cheaply. To stand for those who least look like me as Jesus, a jew stood for those like me now. To strive to see myself in that muslim and if a terrorist, what I too almost became under McCain. I want to be a part of that sort of group... and to look upon balanced conservatives showed from the linked posted by delusianne titled Ship of Fool. I shall ponder this further. Thank you for asking me. It helped the anger cease a moment and returned my mind to finer thoughts. Thank you.
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Old 11-17-2008, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Turn Left at Greenland
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Well... they're not killing intellectuals here, but our public school systems ARE killing intellectualism and talent development.

China learned from their mistake and they are taking steps to rebuild their intellectual capital, as noted by cmacf1's spouse and Joann DiGennaro in the Washington Post article.

What do our public schools do with students who have high intellectual ability? Usually nothing. Parents must seek out and pay for costly opportunities provided by private institutions.
USATODAY.com - SAT talent searches lead nowhere for many
You can't make blanket statements like that and simply expect a nod in agreement from me. There are wonderful public schools that DO challenge and motivate higher ability students. Newsweek, I believe, put out a list of the best public high schools in America. Are you telling me that someone who graduates from New Trier HS in suburban Chicago should be lumped in with failing public high schools in Indianapolis??? No, they shouldn't, but using your logic, they should and therefore, New Trier HS grads are no better than an Indianapolis Broad Ripple HS graduate (I'm in the midwest).

What needs to be addressed is poverty in our inner cities and rural areas. That is where public schools are failing. Suburban public schools tend to be better because you have a population who don't mind paying higher taxes to keep the schools good, making more people want to move in, leaving the poor rural and poor inner cities for the sake of their children getting a good education funded by taxpayer dollars.

The best and the brightest teachers flock to the best public schools because the money is there for salaries. Good luck convincing a new/in debt college education major to teach in a school system that has no money.

It's a cluster<you know what> and look how long it has take China to finally wise up and trust intellectualism once again, but they have a long way to go. You have soaring middle class development at the expense of the rural poor in China, which is exactly what brought Mao to power ....
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