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Old 11-22-2008, 07:28 AM
 
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Just listened to most of the interview by Terri Gross. Ayers is an impressive guy. I would say his activities taken to stop the Vietnam War were heroic. He's an intelligent, compassionate, and interesting man.

The extreme right should be doubly ashamed of itself. First, for having demonized the man. And second for having tried to tar Obama by his very remote relationship with the man, and for practicing disgusting Swiftboat tactics in order to win.

I sincerely hope we get a decent GOP out of this election.
Told you folks he was an American Hero to many and helped deliver some older voters to Obama.
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Old 11-22-2008, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Over There
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No, you don't. Unless you jump into a discussion and want your opinion to be taken seriously.

I did not jump into anything. I stated my opinions not facts. I "feel" the man is a psychopath and a narcissist, I base my "opinion" on what I have seen and heard from him. The man denies that people died, he is delusional. This is my "opinion" again you can take it or leave it.
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Old 11-22-2008, 02:37 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I did not jump into anything. I stated my opinions not facts. I "feel" the man is a psychopath and a narcissist, I base my "opinion" on what I have seen and heard from him. The man denies that people died, he is delusional. This is my "opinion" again you can take it or leave it.
Ayers does not deny that 3 members of his Weather Underground group were killed when a bomb they were making accidentally exploded. One of these 3 members was his girlfriend.

Other than these 3 members of the Weather Underground, please provide the names of anyone else who died as a result of the Weather Underground's actions?
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Old 11-22-2008, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Ayers does not deny that 3 members of his Weather Underground group were killed when a bomb they were making accidentally exploded. One of these 3 members was his girlfriend.

Other than these 3 members of the Weather Underground, please provide the names of anyone else who died as a result of the Weather Underground's actions?
So they intended to search the targets for any persons within before detonating the bombs?
Perhaps call in a bomb threat to ensure the buildings were evacuated?
WE never intended for anyone to get hurt. Thats about what bank robbers say after the robbery goes wrong isn't it?
Isn't that what Israel says after launching a few hellfire missiles into a so called bomb making facility?
You miss my point. They were using explosives to make a point. They may have hoped for no casualties but no way could they guarantee no casualties. They had to know this up front and I for one am glad that 1 blew up in their faces. Unfortunately Ayers escaped. No way would I want an individual like him having any input to my childs development. Sort of reminds me of when we allowed Arafat into our white house. He only targeted unarmed women and children to protest Israels occupation of Palestine. Real sweet guy. Nobel winner besides. That totally discredits the peace prize.
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Old 11-22-2008, 10:33 PM
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I cannot support terrorism. I can't excuse Ayers' actions by saying the Viet Nam was was bad, immoral, or anything else. However, I do believe in forgiveness.
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Old 11-22-2008, 11:05 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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So they intended to search the targets for any persons within before detonating the bombs?
Perhaps call in a bomb threat to ensure the buildings were evacuated?
WE never intended for anyone to get hurt. Thats about what bank robbers say after the robbery goes wrong isn't it?
Isn't that what Israel says after launching a few hellfire missiles into a so called bomb making facility?
You miss my point. They were using explosives to make a point. They may have hoped for no casualties but no way could they guarantee no casualties. They had to know this up front and I for one am glad that 1 blew up in their faces. Unfortunately Ayers escaped. No way would I want an individual like him having any input to my childs development. Sort of reminds me of when we allowed Arafat into our white house. He only targeted unarmed women and children to protest Israels occupation of Palestine. Real sweet guy. Nobel winner besides. That totally discredits the peace prize.
My above response was to dcadca's comment.

How could I be missing your point?

Try listening to the Ayers Interview ... it may shed a new light on your opinion of Ayers. Or maybe it won't?
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Old 11-22-2008, 11:23 PM
 
Location: New York
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My above response was to dcadca's comment.

How could I be missing your point?

Try listening to the Ayers Interview ... it may shed a new light on your opinion of Ayers. Or maybe it won't?
Bill Ayers' words will not change my opinion of the man, RD5050.

His deeds could very well correct any assumptions I might have held against him; he has instead shown us that he has not advanced in maturity or reason by denying the deaths and injuries of police officers that his "little" group caused, their suffering and their family's distress, and his utter remorselessness in the face of these crimes. One would think that age would temper Ayers' judgment but he is a delusional creep and deserves nothing short of being thrown out of this country. We did not die in Iwo Jima and Valley Forge so this degenerate could vent his rage by killing our Bravest.

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Old 11-23-2008, 06:38 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Here's a little info which may help inform those who refuse to listen to the Ayers interview:

Weatherman (organization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

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In his 2001 book about his Weatherman experiences, Bill Ayers stated his objection to describing the WUO (Weather Underground Organization) as "terrorist". Ayers wrote: "Terrorists terrorize, they kill innocent civilians, while we organized and agitated. Terrorists destroy randomly, while our actions bore, we hoped, the precise stamp of a cut diamond. Terrorists intimidate, while we aimed only to educate. No, we're not terrorists."[50] Dan Berger, in his book about the Weatherman, Outlaws in America, comments that the group "purposefully and successfully avoided injuring anyone... Its war against property by definition means that the WUO was not a terrorist organization."
I still think Ayers should have served time in jail for his illegal actions, but he was just one of thousands (millions?) who were protesting against the Vietnam War. That was the state of the country at that time, and he was a part of the protest.
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Old 11-23-2008, 08:52 PM
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Location: Wisconsin
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The amount of lies and misinformation that was coming FROM the government....especially the FBI .. at that time has made it impossible for me to take as truth any of the accusations that were leveled against the various groups that were involved in protest and attempts to obtain civil rights or end the war. I can't believe that anyone who was alive and aware during the 50s-70s can ever believe anything you were told by these sources. I could sit here and give you a list as long as your arm of the actual MURDERS done by the FBI and various local law enforcement groups. Do none of you remember or have you all just chosen to forget/
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Old 11-23-2008, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Idaho Falls
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The amount of lies and misinformation that was coming FROM the government....especially the FBI .. at that time has made it impossible for me to take as truth any of the accusations that were leveled against the various groups that were involved in protest and attempts to obtain civil rights or end the war. I can't believe that anyone who was alive and aware during the 50s-70s can ever believe anything you were told by these sources. I could sit here and give you a list as long as your arm of the actual MURDERS done by the FBI and various local law enforcement groups. Do none of you remember or have you all just chosen to forget/
Thank you.
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