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Old 11-19-2008, 01:46 PM
 
Location: S.Florida
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Just because the Washington Post prints something doesn't mean it's true. The religious right has as much right to their political opinions as anyone else and they are a large voting caucus. If I were a Democrat, I wouldn't bank on them booting out, I would bank on them crossing all religious doctrinal barriers and banning together.

I think the GOP we know now is on borrowed time but you will see an even more conservative extremist party in 20 yrs.

It will be the new Hispanic controlled Dem party. Someone once wrote " I feared the area Barbarians till I met the Mongols"
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Old 11-19-2008, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Oriental, NC
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Humanity hasn't come very far has it? It's so sad to me to see so many people just being sheep. I even felt this way as a child when I hurled the crucifex across the room and shouted to my mother,"this is YOUR god, not mine" I have never been able to understand WHY people will just blindly follow without questioning or doing their own research.
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Old 11-19-2008, 01:55 PM
 
Location: S.Florida
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Humanity hasn't come very far has it? It's so sad to me to see so many people just being sheep. I even felt this way as a child when I hurled the crucifex across the room and shouted to my mother,"this is YOUR god, not mine" I have never been able to understand WHY people will just blindly follow without questioning or doing their own research.

Relegion is like that based on pure faith. I am not into it but very rare in my circles .

Sometimes you just have to endure it and with Moms you endure it. Child or not I dont find that right not that you care nor should you but she is your mom.
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Old 11-19-2008, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Orlando, Florida
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I think the GOP we know now is on borrowed time but you will see an even more conservative extremist party in 20 yrs.

It will be the new Hispanic controlled Dem party. Someone once wrote " I feared the area Barbarians till I met the Mongols"
I think you may be correct about the conservative extremist direction. It will possibly be a reaction to all the liberalism that sometimes doesn't quite pan out in real life.

I have a lot of Hispanic friends and coworkers. I haven't asked them yet since they were very excited about Obama winning, but if they read the platform of the Democratic Party, very few of their more conservative family views are actually represented.

I'm not making a liberal -vs- conservative statement, I simply am surprised that Hispanics voted predominantly Democrat since most of their political views don't line up as being Democratic.....or am I missing something?
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Old 11-19-2008, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Idaho Falls
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By the way it has been preached (no pun intended) on this forum, you would think that anyone who was religious was obviously an immoral idiot..

Please provide some hard evidence of the "Religious Right" from a credible organization that doesn't date from the era of Nazi Germany.

And no, there is no difference. I spent half my childhood in all black churches (but I'm White) and you'd be surprised how radical they can be - puts any white evangelist to shame. Of course, since they vote Democrat you obviously have no problem with that
I have no idea where you're going with this. Earlier, you suggested that liberals should bash the religious who vote Democratic (i.e., because large parts of the black and Hispanic voter blocks are religious).

But the point of the OP is that the GOP is dumping the Religious Right. Not just the religious. Liberals and the Democratic Party don't have a problem with religious people. So when we are gleeful at the GOP's problems with the Religious Right, we are not being hypocritical (which is what you were implying).

Is my point clearer?
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Old 11-19-2008, 02:15 PM
 
Location: S.Florida
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I think you may be correct about the conservative extremist direction. It will possibly be a reaction to all the liberalism that sometimes doesn't quite pan out in real life.

I have a lot of Hispanic friends and coworkers. I haven't asked them yet since they were very excited about Obama winning, but if they read the platform of the Democratic Party, very few of their more conservative family views are actually represented.

I'm not making a liberal -vs- conservative statement, I simply am surprised that Hispanics voted predominantly Democrat since most of their political views don't line up as being Democratic.....or am I missing something?

Its confusing to me also. Both my cousins graduated from Florida University . One is a F 28 the other M 26.
Both voted for Obama but against gay marriage. They prefer Dem party but 100% against gay marriage and not pro choice and never will be.

The new immigrants coming in legally and illegally make them look liberal when it comes to seperation of church and state.
The day Hispanics are the largest vote that makes or breaks Dem party or largest number of politicians ourselves in the party.

Its going to be a Christian Conservative party.
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Old 11-19-2008, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Oriental, NC
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Relegion is like that based on pure faith. I am not into it but very rare in my circles .

Sometimes you just have to endure it and with Moms you endure it. Child or not I dont find that right not that you care nor should you but she is your mom.
Not any more, she's been dead for 33 years, and we did make peace before she died, but it always drove me crazy that she just bought into the catholic stuff and never questioned anything. She was an intelligent college educated woman, back when that was pretty rare.
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Old 11-19-2008, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Finally the GOP is ready to dump the Religious Right




Giving Up on God - washingtonpost.com

•Democratic Party: America’s opinion about whether the Democratic Party is friendly toward religion continues a roller coaster ride that started five years ago, when 42 percent of those polled said it was religion-friendly. That dropped to 26 percent in 2006 but has rebounded to 38 percent — about the same as this stage in the last presidential campaign.

•The GOP: A majority of Democrats, 57 percent, say they think the GOP is overly controlled by religious conservatives. And a majority of Republicans, 62 percent, say that secular liberals have too much power over the Democratic Party.

Survey: Bush's term hasn't eroded GOP's evangelical base | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Religion | The Dallas Morning News (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/religion/stories/082208dnmetreligion.1cca9eb8.html - broken link)

ABCNEWS.com : Poll: Most Americans Say They're Christian

The Republican Party is the religious right. They'll dump us the day Democrats dump blacks. It just don't work that way.
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Old 11-19-2008, 03:45 PM
 
Location: The Land of Lincoln
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Just because the Washington Post prints something doesn't mean it's true. The religious right has as much right to their political opinions as anyone else and they are a large voting caucus. If I were a Democrat, I wouldn't bank on them booting out, I would bank on them crossing all religious doctrinal barriers and banning together. Many black churches supported Obama due to wanting to see a black president, which is understandable, but it doesn't at all indicate that at the end of the day they agree with his more liberal morality based views and won't take issue with it at some future point.

I agree, as evidenced by their lack of support of gay rights and abortion.
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Old 11-19-2008, 03:47 PM
 
Location: The Land of Lincoln
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Humanity hasn't come very far has it? It's so sad to me to see so many people just being sheep. I even felt this way as a child when I hurled the crucifex across the room and shouted to my mother,"this is YOUR god, not mine" I have never been able to understand WHY people will just blindly follow without questioning or doing their own research.

I thought this was going to end up with a punch line about Democrats.
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