Obama Snipers... You're only making the Republicans weaker... (Israel, ethical, conservative)

[mrbob]

Originally Posted by Frankie117

I disagree, the Democrats have been whining non-stop since Al Gore lost in 2000. We still managed to vote a Democrat in early last month.

Sorry, your logic fails.

The Republicans have been whining since before Clinton took office, and now since before Obama took office...

The only reason Republicans crossed over to vote for Obama is because they knew how terrible Republican leadership can be and wanted no more of it...

Sorry - but it's definitely YOUR logic that is flawed.

[Frankie117]

Originally Posted by mrbob

The Republicans have been whining since before Clinton took office, and now since before Obama took office...

Yeah, but the Republicans were right about Clinton . You know as well as I do that the Democrats threw a hissy fit after Gore lost, bashing the Electoral College system, they started name calling and tearing Bush apart before he even took office. Same damn thing.

Don't try to justify your own shortcomings with excuses.

Originally Posted by mrbob

The only reason Republicans crossed over to vote for Obama is because they knew how terrible Republican leadership can be and wanted no more of it...

Actually, I just find that Republicans are much more willing to vote across party lines, should the opportunity arise. I actually don't mind Obama, I believe it is more or less the handful of his fanatical supporters that I find repulsive.

Originally Posted by mrbob

Sorry - but it's definitely YOUR logic that is flawed.

How is stating the obvious "flawed logic"?

[mrbob]

Originally Posted by Frankie117

Yeah, but the Republicans were right about Clinton . You know as well as I do that the Democrats threw a hissy fit after Gore lost, bashing the Electoral College system, they started name calling and tearing Bush apart before he even took office. Same damn thing.

Don't try to justify your own shortcomings with excuses.



Actually, I just find that Republicans are much more willing to vote across party lines, should the opportunity arise. I actually don't mind Obama, I believe it is more or less the handful of his fanatical supporters that I find repulsive.



How is stating the obvious "flawed logic"?

Frankie - chill out dude - you've been drinking far too much of the Republican Kool-Aid...

We have something in common however - we both detest the fanatical supporters from the 'other' side... only I can't tolerate the brain-dead Obama Snipers..

And claiming that you are stating the 'obvious' is a tremendous leap of arrogance and pomposity...

[Frankie117]

Originally Posted by mrbob

Frankie - chill out dude - you've been drinking far too much of the Republican Kool-Aid...

Hardly. I would be glad that I am the one responding, and not some of the other hardcore drinkers

Originally Posted by mrbob

We have something in common however - we both detest the fanatical supporters from the 'other' side... only I can't tolerate the brain-dead Obama Snipers..

Well, I try to make a fair argument, or at least bring some of the other side into a debate. Politics is politics, hasn't changed and never will.

Originally Posted by mrbob

And claiming that you are stating the 'obvious' is a tremendous leap of arrogance and pomposity...

You will find that I am a rather arrogant individual, I can't really help it, it is only my nature. I apologize if it causes problems, but to be honest there isn't a whole lot I can do about it.

[mrbob]

The endless Obama sniping is TOTALLY predictable and nothing for Obama supporters to worry about...

Eight years from now, when Obama's 2nd term is winding down, they'll still be at it...

In fact, they'll be getting warmed up attacking then President Elect Hillary Clinton...

No matter how much mud they sling - NOTHING is going to deter Obama from being one of our greatest Presidents of all time!!!

We just have to learn to ignore the snipers - and let them chase their own tails for the next 16 years!!!

[texdav]

From the looks of Obama's troubles having not even gotten into office yet it will be a long four years to come. What goes around;comes around.It doesn't take four years to get a governor indicted. The statement the asst. US attorney made about if illionis politics isn't the most corrupt state its a hell of a competitor ;I am sure there is alot more to come on this story. Then Rangel is in deep problems and in a leadership position in the democratic party. Not a good start even if they could get Rev. Wright to keep his mouth shut.That Louisana congressman isn't going down without a trial either.There are enough corruption headlines to last four years already.

[mrbob]

Originally Posted by texdav

There are enough corruption headlines to last four years already.

Only for those who like to wallow in the mud and who have an inborn hatred for Obama to begin with...

[TnHilltopper]

Originally Posted by HubbleRules

I know it will never stop - the sniping at Obama - everything he says, does, doesn't say, doesn't do - will be endlessly criticized by a small number of very vocal Republican die-hards (and they are dieing hard....)...

Hannity and Limbaugh are at the top of the list ... I can understand them though - they have no principals - they are merely making money by stirring up as much controversy as they can... Politically speaking - they are less than irrelevant...

What thes 'Obama Snipers' don't yet understand, but will over the years, is that the country is sick of them, and the more they snipe,the more support Obama and the Democrats will have, and the less the Republicans will have...

I have only one word to describe the outcome they are so furiously bringing about...

Sweeeeeeeeeet!!!

While I understand what you are getting at and you are right, there will always be those who refuse to accept Obama because of his views, because he is black, because of his name, cling to every birth story, etc... However, to suggest that "sniping" Obama only diminishes Republicans seems as much an attempt to simply deflect criticism.

If I were to then suggest that Obama's foreign policy stance on say the Israeli-Palestinian situation or Afghanistan was ill conceived, will I then get lumped into the "sniper" category?

[mrbob]

Originally Posted by TnHilltopper

While I understand what you are getting at and you are right, there will always be those who refuse to accept Obama because of his views, because he is black, because of his name, cling to every birth story, etc... However, to suggest that "sniping" Obama only diminishes Republicans seems as much an attempt to simply deflect criticism.

If I were to then suggest that Obama's foreign policy stance on say the Israeli-Palestinian situation or Afghanistan was ill conceived, will I then get lumped into the "sniper" category?

No - I absolutely do not consider you to be a sniper... just the opposite - you are a very credible debater of issues - one who can see both sides of a situation and make an informed, logical choice...

To me a sniper is:

- one who blows a situation totally out of proportion for pure political gain

- one who ignores the facts and logic of a situation and holds to negative views about someone in spite of all reason and debate to the contrary

- one whose sole purpose is to 'bring someone down', and will repetitively say all means of half-truths and lies to accomplish it, and will totally ignore any logic or facts brought to their attention to the contrary

You always post very well thought out arguments...

And I agree with you - no politician should EVER be put on a pedastal and be beyond criticism... I will criticize Obama when I think he fails to live up to his promises...

But the man is not even in office, and people are intentionally dragging him thru the mud big-time and probably working on grounds for Impeachment even before he's taken the oath... and this is all based on pure hatred and pure political partisanship - rather than sane, rational thought...

And just for your information, I do not agree with Obama on his Israeli-Palestinian position...

[TuborgP]

Originally Posted by texdav

From the looks of Obama's troubles having not even gotten into office yet it will be a long four years to come. What goes around;comes around.It doesn't take four years to get a governor indicted. The statement the asst. US attorney made about if illionis politics isn't the most corrupt state its a hell of a competitor ;I am sure there is alot more to come on this story. Then Rangel is in deep problems and in a leadership position in the democratic party. Not a good start even if they could get Rev. Wright to keep his mouth shut.That Louisana congressman isn't going down without a trial either.There are enough corruption headlines to last four years already.

FBI reviewing allegations involving Norm Coleman ally, source says - TwinCities.com
Federal investigators are looking into allegations that a longtime friend and benefactor tried to steer money to U.S. Sen. Norm Coleman, the Pioneer Press has learned.

Agents with the FBI have talked to or made efforts to talk to people in Texas familiar with the allegations, according to a source familiar with the situation.

Houston is where the first of two lawsuits was filed alleging Nasser Kazeminy, a Bloomington financier, tried to steer $100,000 to Coleman via his wife's Minneapolis employer. The second suit, filed in Delaware, alleges Kazeminy initially tried to get money directly to the senator.

Coleman has declined to release any information surrounding his wife's work for Hays outside of what is required by Senate disclosure rules, which doesn't include her income.

Yup you got it daily headlines. Sorta back and forth between the parties.