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Old 12-02-2008, 06:26 PM
 
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"Undocumented worker" or "undocumented resident" are the most descriptive and least loaded terms. What's your resistance to those terms?
Undocumented resident works for me, but I am still not much worked up about illegal alien.
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Old 12-02-2008, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Undocumented resident works for me, but I am still not much worked up about illegal alien.
The illegal immigrant is not a lawful "resident" - quite the opposite as a matter of fact.

When discovered in AZ - they are turned over to ICE and deported -
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Old 12-02-2008, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Idaho Falls
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If for no other reason but, not all of them are workers -
I also suggested "undocumented resident."
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Old 12-02-2008, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I also suggested "undocumented resident."
They are not "residents" -
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Old 12-02-2008, 06:30 PM
 
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"Criminals" is usually reserved for people who have been convicted - usually of felonies. Why not call them what they are: undocumented workers?
Because 'undocumented workers' has a nice, sanitized ring to it that does not do their actual status justice.
I mean, we could resurect that oldie but a union goodie and call them 'scabs' as they willingly bring wages down and take work from others - citizens and legal immigrants alike.
Or, we could go with prosecutable immigrant, pre-deportee immigrant, unauthorized immigrant, sub rosa immigrant (like the sound of that one ) or even illegitimate immigrant. All of those point to the fact that these people are here unlawfully and working in the US without sanction. How breaking another sovereign nations immigration laws be put to same level as jaywalking, I really can't understand.
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Old 12-02-2008, 06:32 PM
 
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They are not "residents" -
Uh, yes, they are. If they did not reside here we would not be having this little conversation.
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Old 12-02-2008, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Uh, yes, they are. If they did not reside here we would not be having this little conversation.
Let me re-phrase then:


They are not lawful residents.

How is that?
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Old 12-02-2008, 06:37 PM
 
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. . . as they willingly bring wages down and take work from others - citizens and legal immigrants alike.
For the most part this is total nonsense. They end up doing the backbreaking, mind-numbing and dangerous work that the rest of us won't do unless we have a union that fights for premium wages (think garbage men). And I bet a dime that most of the folks whining about undocumented workers are anti-union too.
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Old 12-02-2008, 07:00 PM
 
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For the most part this is total nonsense. They end up doing the backbreaking, mind-numbing and dangerous work that the rest of us won't do unless we have a union that fights for premium wages (think garbage men). And I bet a dime that most of the folks whining about undocumented workers are anti-union too.
No doubt.
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Old 12-02-2008, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Yeah - working at McDonalds is "back breaking"

My German Landscapers laugh when they are told that only Hispanics do "back breaking" landscape work.

Oh yeah - construction work - no legals doing that work
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