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Old 12-15-2008, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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For all those who helped elect a corrupt Chicago politician who seems to, along with his buddy the Illinois Governor, have taken the job to scam money for political appointments, are you embarassed by your decision yet?
I quoted a post from the Chicago forum about how there was no love lost between Blago and Obama. Perhaps you should take a look over there (and also the general Illinios forum) before you call Obama and Blago "buddies". Yes, Chicago, and most of Illinois, has a lot of corruption, but that doesn't mean every politician there is corrupt.
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Old 12-15-2008, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Burlington VT
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I would gladly look at and consider a valid source if you would like to present one. Unfortunately, the New York Times is far from unbiased or reliable.

The facts are these:
- Governor Blagojevich is accused of trying to sell Obama's seat.
- Obama said neither he nor his campaign had any contact with Blagojevich.
- Evidence surfaces of at least incidental contact with Blagojevich regarding this issue.
- Obama promises to release any communications between his staff and the Governor.
- The Obama administration fails to release any communications.
- Evidence surfaces that Rahm Emanuel, president-elect Obama's chief of staff, had detailed contacts with the Blagojevich administration.
- Emanuel, either on his own initiative or through Obama, refuses to discuss the issue with the press.

The facts are clear:
1. The Obama administration has information relevant to the criminal inquiry, and had some degree of involvement.

2. Despite promises to be open and transparent, the Obama administration has failed to divulge what it knew or knows.

3. When confronted with a part of this evidence, the Obama administration closed ranks and hushed up.

Where's your transparency?

Would you like to see some of the other promises that Obama made to get elected and is now backtracking on? There's quite an extensive list.

You'll pardon me (a poor choice of words under the circumstances perhaps... ) if I decline to present source after source until I find one which meets with your approval. Particularly since you cite no sources whatsoever.
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Old 12-15-2008, 10:07 AM
 
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Just for S&G's

The facts are clear:
1. The Obama administration has information relevant to the criminal inquiry, and had some degree of involvement.

Then that is a matter between the US Attorney and the those with relevant information, not the press.

2. Despite promises to be open and transparent, the Obama administration has failed to divulge what it knew or knows.

How does one divulge that one doesn't know? Currently Bob Bauer is trying to find something to divulge and if and when he finds something Obama has stated that he will divulge it. Divulgently speaking.

Obama damage control - Kenneth P. Vogel and Jonathan Martin - Politico.com

3. When confronted with a part of this evidence, the Obama administration closed ranks and hushed up.

Confronted with what evidence? The evidence that there was no evidence?

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Old 12-15-2008, 10:10 AM
 
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Perhaps if one single word in your screed were even remotely accurate, but they aren't, so I'm not. Maybe in 6 years, after you and yours have spent $80 million in tax payer money you might catch Obama getting a blow job from an intern, but until then, I'm proud as hell of what Obama has done so far and expect to be even prouder still in the upcoming years.
What Ovcatto said! Obama is doing a great job.

BTW, McCain said to lay off trying to connect Obama to Blago, so why don't you do that?
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Old 12-15-2008, 10:14 AM
 
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You'll pardon me (a poor choice of words under the circumstances perhaps... ) if I decline to present source after source until I find one which meets with your approval. Particularly since you cite no sources whatsoever.
Ok, let me present this again:

- Governor Blagojevich is accused of trying to sell Obama's seat.
ROD BLAGOJEVICH: Gov. Rod Blagojevich arrested, charged, released -- chicagotribune.com
- Obama said neither he nor his campaign had any contact with Blagojevich.
Obama Is 'Appalled,' Insists He Had No Contact With Blagojevich Over Senate Seat - FOXNews.com Transition Tracker
- Evidence surfaces of at least incidental contact with Blagojevich regarding this issue.
Obama Discussed Seat With Blago Nov 5 | Sweetness & Light
- Obama promises to release any communications between his staff and the Governor.
Political Punch
- The Obama administration fails to release any communications.
Pressure builds on Obama to release his Blagojevich contacts | Top of the Ticket | Los Angeles Times
- Evidence surfaces that Rahm Emanuel, president-elect Obama's chief of staff, had detailed contacts with the Blagojevich administration.
Emanuel Discussed Senate Replacement With Blagojevich Staff | AHN | December 15, 2008 (http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7013404153 - broken link)
- Emanuel, either on his own initiative or through Obama, refuses to discuss the issue with the press.
Rahm ducks reporters' questions on Blago :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: 44: Barack Obama (http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1326788,rahm-emanuel-blagojevich-obama-121108.article - broken link)

Despite your paranoia about the fall from grace of your morning star (or was it light bringer?) this issue is not about President Bush. Obama has set himself up for failure, and his house of cards is beginning to collapse.

Again, where is the transparency? Are you embarassed yet that you fell for Barack Obama's lies and political thuggery?
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Old 12-15-2008, 10:15 AM
 
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What Ovcatto said! Obama is doing a great job.

BTW, McCain said to lay off trying to connect Obama to Blago, so why don't you do that?
McCain is not Hannity.
I expect to see more drivel like the op's as Hannity/Klannity continues to foam at the mouth. Sore loser? Naaaaah.
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Old 12-15-2008, 10:21 AM
 
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McCain is not Hannity.
I expect to see more drivel like the op's as Hannity/Klannity continues to foam at the mouth. Sore loser? Naaaaah.
Don't drag Hannity's good name into this. He's a great American. Obama would do well to have half of his pride in this great nation. Hannity only speaks the truth, which some people don't like.
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Old 12-15-2008, 10:32 AM
 
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McCain is not Hannity.
I expect to see more drivel like the op's as Hannity/Klannity continues to foam at the mouth. Sore loser? Naaaaah.
Well crap, then the Chicago Tribune, Fox News, New York Times, ABC, CNN, NBC, CBS, LA Times, Washington Post, New York Post, Washington Times, Headline News, Chicago Sun Times, MSNBC, Politico, Slate, Drudgereport, U.K. Times, AP and Reuters are all just full of right-wing propagandists spouting GOP talking points and deny the greatness of Obama?

Thanks for the eye opener!
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Old 12-15-2008, 10:37 AM
 
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Well crap, then the Chicago Tribune, Fox News, New York Times, ABC, CNN, NBC, CBS, LA Times, Washington Post, New York Post, Washington Times, Headline News, Chicago Sun Times, MSNBC, Politico, Slate, Drudgereport, U.K. Times, AP and Reuters are all just full of right-wing propagandists spouting GOP talking points and deny the greatness of Obama?

Thanks for the eye opener!
So these news sources are credible when they agree with your version of events, but if they disagree they aren't credible?
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Old 12-15-2008, 10:39 AM
 
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For all those who helped elect a corrupt Chicago politician who seems to, along with his buddy the Illinois Governor, have taken the job to scam money for political appointments, are you embarassed by your decision yet?

The Obama administration, while promising to be forthcoming and transparent, has dodged reporters and refuses to release records regarding their involvement in the selling of our political future.

So are you embarassed yet, having fallen for the empty promises of Barack Obama? Or do you still hold out some slim sliver of hope that Barack Obama is going to follow through on any of his campaign promises?

The President-elect is showing himself for what he always was, a liar and a fraud, more interested in his own personal advancement than in improving our country. Hopefully in '12 all of you who voted for this empty suit will wake up and see that a candidate's record speaks louder than mindless rhetoric.
I didn't voter for Obama either but I doubt the supporters are embarrassed. I'm cautiously optimistic, the issue I have with many Obama supporters is they want to crown him as one of the greatest Presidents, and already doing a great job, etc, etc. Granted some will say he picked a really well rounded cabinet. That's fine. I think people are getting to pie in the sky and getting the carriage in front of the horse. For the love of God at least let him get sworn in first. More of his success will be dictated by Congress than himself. Somehow people always conveniently forget this.
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