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Old 12-23-2008, 07:41 AM
 
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I think they honestly thought Obama was their honey - the man in their pocket. And it's beginning to look like he's a centrist, not a leftist. Shock and dismay!

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Old 12-23-2008, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Idaho Falls
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I think they honestly thought Obama was their honey - the man in their pocket. And it's beginning to look like he's a centrist, not a leftist. Shock and dismay!
The "Obama is a leftist" was a right-wing scare tactic. We leftists knew all along that Obama was a centrist Democrat - no different really than Hillary Clinton. We will fight Obama any time he tries to seek the middle ground with the far right - that's how the game is played.

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Old 12-23-2008, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Washington state
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Take a look at the inflammatory language (since removed) at the Saddleback (Warren's church) web site ..."someone unwilling to repent of their homosexual lifestyle would not be accepted as a member of Saddleback"


Rick Warren explicitly bans "unrepentant" gays from membership in his church


 
Old 12-23-2008, 08:52 AM
 
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Take a look at the inflammatory language (since removed) at the Saddleback (Warren's church) web site ..."someone unwilling to repent of their homosexual lifestyle would not be accepted as a member of Saddleback"
Does a church NOT have the right to determine who can, and cannot, be a member?

I may not like it, and may not agree. But that simply means that I'm not going to be a member of that church.

There are many churches where you cannot be a member unless you are baptized in their church. If you disagree with that teaching, you won't go there.
 
Old 12-23-2008, 09:19 AM
 
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The "Obama is a leftist" was a right-wing scare tactic. We leftists knew all along that Obama was a centrist Democrat - no different really than Hillary Clinton. We will fight Obama any time he tries to seek the middle ground with the far right - that's how the game is played.

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Amen and oh so true. All one had to do was their OWN research and they to would have known.
 
Old 12-23-2008, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Washington state
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Does a church NOT have the right to determine who can, and cannot, be a member?

I may not like it, and may not agree. But that simply means that I'm not going to be a member of that church.

There are many churches where you cannot be a member unless you are baptized in their church. If you disagree with that teaching, you won't go there.

The bigot won't even allow gays, and presumably those that support equal rights for the LGBT community, to be a member of his church but he's supposed to be welcomed to the inauguration?..No way, the time for bigotry and intolerance is over.

The Warren choice is a major disappointment to millions who voted for Obama. If we wanted a member of the religious right holding a position of honor on the inaugural stand, we would have voted Republican. It's a big mistake and won't be forgotten anytime soon.
 
Old 12-23-2008, 09:21 AM
 
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Take a look at the inflammatory language (since removed) at the Saddleback (Warren's church) web site ..."someone unwilling to repent of their homosexual lifestyle would not be accepted as a member of Saddleback"


Rick Warren explicitly bans "unrepentant" gays from membership in his church

Yup they are welcome to join and participate and hopefully at some point will accept the tenets of the church and be eligible for membership. Seems very open and inviting to me and millions of others. If you haven't accepted Christ in your life why would you want to join?
 
Old 12-23-2008, 09:23 AM
 
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The bigot won't even allow gays, and presumably those that support equal rights for the LGBT community, to be a member of his church but he's supposed to be welcomed to the inauguration?..No way, the time for bigotry and intolerance is over.

The Warren choice is a major disappointment to millions who voted for Obama. If we wanted a member of the religious right holding a position of honor on the inaugural stand, we would have voted Republican. It's a big mistake and won't be forgotten anytime soon.
I thought their was no Left or Right America? No Democratic or Republican America? I guess Sarah was right to have a perception that Real American's can be defined by their politics and be recognized as such.
 
Old 12-23-2008, 09:26 AM
 
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This thread is making me wonder what would happen if we had a Gay President? Would members of the Christian Right be safe? Would they be prosecuted or persecuted? Would the Gay President want to enact a final solution to rid the land of those who don't embrace their life style. Would Christians be allowed to worship as they see fit or would there be a defintion of appropriate religous belief and behavior? Pastor Warren is speaking so get over it and embrace the totality of that day and not one moment.
 
Old 12-23-2008, 09:29 AM
 
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Perhaps we should have had someone from Bob Jones University lead the invocation. Same insult, only to blacks.
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